Joey (really) singing Only
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YES! Unless you're nonhuman or psychopathic, you don't need an album's worth of emotional pabulum into which your own mundane emotions can be projected. It's time to return the Kleenex box to the top of the toilet tank where it belongs.
antwax
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I don't need Kleenex when I'm listening to songs like What Doesn't Die, Black Dahlia, 1000 Points Of Hate or Only...
. well Joey's performances on those misht bring tears into my eyes...
But I agree with Vomit that songs about Stephen King books belong to the past... on the other hand I'm sure Scott and Charlie know that too...I'm sure they've written 'bout something "new"...whatever that is.
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. well Joey's performances on those misht bring tears into my eyes...But I agree with Vomit that songs about Stephen King books belong to the past... on the other hand I'm sure Scott and Charlie know that too...I'm sure they've written 'bout something "new"...whatever that is.
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I like Stomp442 as much as the next guy, but naming your album after the fact that some convenience store clerk shortchanged you $4.42 is about as EMO as it gets. It's hard to stomp around and feel "metal" when all the godawful shit in the world takes a backseat to $4.42.
I registered just to weigh in on this Joey vs. John hoopla. Before I do, a little background.
Anthrax was, perhaps, the first thrash metal band I got into in my youth. I started with Among the Living and went from there. I saw them on that tour and also saw them on the Headbanger's Ball tour with Exodus and Helloween. They were awesome. I loved that they were different than all the other thrash metal bands out there. They weren't too serious, they had lyrics that made them stand out from the pack. I loved Slayer (matter of fact, Slayer is probably my favorite band of all time) but Anthrax was just different and I loved it.
I saw them again on the Clash of the Titans and they got a little more serious but I still loved Persistence of Time. Joey's vocals also set them apart from the Slayers, Megadeths and Kreators of the world. He had a range and a power that was different from the average thrash vocalist. Though he sang with a deeper tone on PoT, he still had a large range and power.
When I heard that Bush had taken over for Joey, I was hesitant. I liked Bush's voice in Armored Saint but I did not know how well that would carry over to Anthrax. I thought that Anthrax's entire sound would have to change for Bush to fit.
Unfortunately, I was right. Anthrax with Bush are still a very good band. They just aren't Anthrax, not the one I grew up with. They became more straight forward hard rock and roll. That isn't necessarily a bad thing but it is disappointing to those of us who grew up listening to Metal Thrashing Mad.
As far as Joey doing Only, I think he sounds pretty damn good, though it is hard to tell with the bootleg recordings we are getting. I will say that I think that Joey does a better job here than Bush did with any of Joey's material. With that being said, I do wish Joey would spread out with the song and put his own stamp on it. Joey is a great vocalist in his own right, he has no need to try to imitate Bush.
Bottom line, I am happy Joey is back in Anthrax. I hope it works out and we are treated to some classic Anthrax on the new album. Joey belongs in Anthrax. His voice is Anthrax's. Bush was great but Anthrax changed with him in the band. It just wasn't Anthrax anymore.
Anthrax was, perhaps, the first thrash metal band I got into in my youth. I started with Among the Living and went from there. I saw them on that tour and also saw them on the Headbanger's Ball tour with Exodus and Helloween. They were awesome. I loved that they were different than all the other thrash metal bands out there. They weren't too serious, they had lyrics that made them stand out from the pack. I loved Slayer (matter of fact, Slayer is probably my favorite band of all time) but Anthrax was just different and I loved it.
I saw them again on the Clash of the Titans and they got a little more serious but I still loved Persistence of Time. Joey's vocals also set them apart from the Slayers, Megadeths and Kreators of the world. He had a range and a power that was different from the average thrash vocalist. Though he sang with a deeper tone on PoT, he still had a large range and power.
When I heard that Bush had taken over for Joey, I was hesitant. I liked Bush's voice in Armored Saint but I did not know how well that would carry over to Anthrax. I thought that Anthrax's entire sound would have to change for Bush to fit.
Unfortunately, I was right. Anthrax with Bush are still a very good band. They just aren't Anthrax, not the one I grew up with. They became more straight forward hard rock and roll. That isn't necessarily a bad thing but it is disappointing to those of us who grew up listening to Metal Thrashing Mad.
As far as Joey doing Only, I think he sounds pretty damn good, though it is hard to tell with the bootleg recordings we are getting. I will say that I think that Joey does a better job here than Bush did with any of Joey's material. With that being said, I do wish Joey would spread out with the song and put his own stamp on it. Joey is a great vocalist in his own right, he has no need to try to imitate Bush.
Bottom line, I am happy Joey is back in Anthrax. I hope it works out and we are treated to some classic Anthrax on the new album. Joey belongs in Anthrax. His voice is Anthrax's. Bush was great but Anthrax changed with him in the band. It just wasn't Anthrax anymore.
This might be one of the best posts I have ever read on this forum. I agree with you 100 percent. Your story sounds almost identical to mine. And I think most old school Anthrax fans would pretty much agree with you.
On this forum there are a ton of kids that didn't even know about Anthrax until they heard a John Bush era song. They can't possibly know what it was like to be an Anthrax fan back then and then to see the band go in the direction they went.
You are so right when you say Joey IS Anthrax. I completely agree and I am sure most old school Anthrax fans would back you 100 percent on that statement. I agree as well that he sounds better doing a John Bush song, than John Bush does singing a Joey era song. I just don't like the song "only" no matter who is singing it =)
Welcome to the forum. Great post!
Social Distortion
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Yeah whatever you say. I'm not gonna feel any less an Anthrax fan just because I'm not an old fart like you. Too bad that you're stuck in the 80's, but it's not our fault.
You miss the point. Nobody saying you should be any less of an Anthrax fan. However you kids that were still in diapers when ATL came out can't possibly understand just why most old school Anthrax fans were turned off to the John Bush era. Anthrax was one of the 'big 4' back then. Without Joey they were no longer part of that class. Not because of John Bush but because of the change in style of music overall.
None the less it has been a fun ride for the John Bush era anthrax. But now it's back to the AnTHRASH of old. POT was a step in the right direction and then they pulled the plug and changed everything. Hopefully they can take off where POT left off and get all of the grungy type stuff out of their system.
I've heard better version done in karaoke bars and Kegger parties. wasnt the to high or to low, it was all over the place. WTF is Mariah Carey shit he doin?
Social Distortion
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I can see where you're coming from, but people change and grow up. This happened to Megadeth and Metallica too.
motorpsycho
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I've been enjoying the somewhat heated discussions on here from a "safe distance" and, being rather uncomfertable with being a spying eye, I decided to post a little something.
I got into Anthrax around POT, and I really like Joey-era Anthrax. I was completely blown away by SOWN, while Stomp and Voume 8 didn't do that much for me although there are some brilliant songs on those albums as well. WCYA, however, was in my opinion a huge return to form.
At the end of the day, Anthrax have maintaind a solid quality to their music regardless of who has been singing the tunes and I am quite looking forward to hearing an updated version of Joey-era Anthrax. Sure, one could argue that there were some rather unwise desicions made around 2005 resulting in John leaving, but in in the latest turn of events John made a desicion not to be part of the band. The desicion seems to have been thought through with great care.
Then Joey returns. That, in my opinion is not a bad thing. It means that there will be changes in style both musically and vocally but it means that Anthrax is still going, which is brilliant.
If and when a new Anthrax record is released i'm quite sure that it will be a well produced, great sounding album with a strong vocal performance. Will it be a pure thrash record, or will it incorporate some of the rock elements that they developed while Bush was fronting them? That's for the band to decide.
There is of course a slight chance of the band releasing an album that I don't like at all. It's unlikely, but it could happen. In that case I simply won't buy it.
As far as Joey's take on Only is concerned, I like it. Sure, the low notes in the chorus are a bit off at times and he's doing some vocal exercises here and there that are a bit unexpected.
This, however, is a you tube video that one can watch over and over again in order to actively search for the flawed moments in the performance (maybe even ignoring the crap sound quality of the actual recording).
If I'd been to the actual show I probably wouldn't have cared about the way in which the low notes where sung. I'd focus more on overall intensity, sound and entertainment value...things that aren't really carried that well through by a You Tube video stream.
And the vocal exercises? Those are the beginning stages of Joey making the song his own.
I think it's a solid performance.
I got into Anthrax around POT, and I really like Joey-era Anthrax. I was completely blown away by SOWN, while Stomp and Voume 8 didn't do that much for me although there are some brilliant songs on those albums as well. WCYA, however, was in my opinion a huge return to form.
At the end of the day, Anthrax have maintaind a solid quality to their music regardless of who has been singing the tunes and I am quite looking forward to hearing an updated version of Joey-era Anthrax. Sure, one could argue that there were some rather unwise desicions made around 2005 resulting in John leaving, but in in the latest turn of events John made a desicion not to be part of the band. The desicion seems to have been thought through with great care.
Then Joey returns. That, in my opinion is not a bad thing. It means that there will be changes in style both musically and vocally but it means that Anthrax is still going, which is brilliant.
If and when a new Anthrax record is released i'm quite sure that it will be a well produced, great sounding album with a strong vocal performance. Will it be a pure thrash record, or will it incorporate some of the rock elements that they developed while Bush was fronting them? That's for the band to decide.
There is of course a slight chance of the band releasing an album that I don't like at all. It's unlikely, but it could happen. In that case I simply won't buy it.
As far as Joey's take on Only is concerned, I like it. Sure, the low notes in the chorus are a bit off at times and he's doing some vocal exercises here and there that are a bit unexpected.
This, however, is a you tube video that one can watch over and over again in order to actively search for the flawed moments in the performance (maybe even ignoring the crap sound quality of the actual recording).
If I'd been to the actual show I probably wouldn't have cared about the way in which the low notes where sung. I'd focus more on overall intensity, sound and entertainment value...things that aren't really carried that well through by a You Tube video stream.
And the vocal exercises? Those are the beginning stages of Joey making the song his own.
I think it's a solid performance.
To me Metallica didn't 'grow up' they SOLD OUT. I really truly believe Metallica is one of the biggest sell outs in metal music history. Of course this will always be a life long debate among metal fans. Megadeth to me really never were that big of a deal in the first place. I loved Peace Sells and Rust In Peace. But after that I just didn't really follow them much. I think they attempted to capitalize on Metallicas sell out success with the black album when they released Countdown to Extinction and even further went down that road with that pice of crap album 'risk'. But at least the last record is good.
None the less I really don't think Anthrax 'Grew Up' I think they just went different direction awith the grunge trend and were scared to continue on as a Thrash band. When they were doing the Stomp album metal music was all but dead. Anthrax conformed a bit but still had some edge to them. Other bands like Pantera kept playing heavy ass metal music and were able to survive the tough mid 90's and keep metal music alive. You certainly couldn't say that about Anthrax.
I am confident the new album will blow all of the Joey doubters away. Don't ever doubt Joey. He is a professional and is fully aware of what year it is.
I am just hoping the rest of the band goes balls out and doesn't try to hold back anymore.
AMEN. IF anyone really thinks this is a horrible vocal performance they either are just completely bitter about Joey being back in the band or are on some really fucked up drugs. If you were at that show you wouldn't even have known the difference if your eyes were closed.
I wouldn't mind if they cut out all of the John Bush era songs from the set. But at least they are going to play those songs for you John Bush era fans. So at least you should be happy about that.
There are only a few John Bush era songs that I can handle listening to. And it's not because of the vocals its because of the song writing. Danny Spitz was very missed after SOWN
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Stop speaking for others. You like his performance, fine. Others don't. Why is it so hard to accept, that others have a different opinion than you?
Joey does a great job on his own songs, but i found his take on Only just horrible, horrible enough to never want to listen to it again, because i just can't stand it. I don't give a fuck if he hits every note, i can't stand his mumbling singing style on the song. So we don't agree on this one. Bummer.
Sometimes i think you are 14 years old and have not yet learned to lead a discussion. A discussion is about hearing other opinions not about insulting others until they agree with you...
Joey Sucked On ALL era's, He used to be good, but he looks and sounds aweful up there now. please don't let him embarrass himself anymore and leave him in the 80's where i have good memories of him.
Anyone who is hanging on to joey, must still be rockn a ride the lighting shirt, cutoff blue jean shorts and a mullet if they still have hair, acting like a internet toughguy from there moms basement.
Anyone who is hanging on to joey, must still be rockn a ride the lighting shirt, cutoff blue jean shorts and a mullet if they still have hair, acting like a internet toughguy from there moms basement.
spacebeer
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spacebeer
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Joey's not going away any time soon. Touring under the classic lineup is lucrative, and considering that CD sales are shit and the band's producer is their lead guitarist, I suspect this will be Anthrax's final lineup.
Cargath
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Yeah, but i'm not generalizing. I'm not saying anyone is on drugs, just because he has a different opinion than me. There are people who don't like Joeys performance, just look at this thread for proof. Some like it, some don't. Nothing wrong with pointing that out. Would be different, if i said that everyone else dislikes his performance.
