Kvelldsanger--Ulver
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metal_wrath
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Another high-brow post. Some on this board must really impress themselves with their words. A music forum, bullshit,hibernal_dream said:
uke: sounds like a place to try and dtermine who is smarter. So, I'm just some swinging-dick who scratches himself all day while I watch Jerry Springer. The pomposity and arrogance on display is astounding. My man mamoud, was taken out by Bin Laden( but your probably not the real one) either that or the fucker missed. Where the fuck did you come from? if their is a God you will dissappear. As far as Hibernal Dream..............Oh, Fuck it!!!!!
hibernal_dream
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The two posts i've read of yours have uttely nothing to do with music whatsoever. How was mine high brow? Unlike most of this forum I have no need to post insults to inflate my ego, so why get offended and make such personal statements? It's frustrating that I give what was the only freakin' objective rationale (good or bad) of Ulver's music in the whole thread and no-one can post a decent, logical followup argument.
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metal_wrath said:
oh metal wrath made a funny!!! look everyone!
come on, spill it, how old are you really?
affinityband said:
Bergtatt was a painfully derivative Darkthrone knock off. Kveldssanger jumped on the then popular Nordic folk revival. Nattens Madrigal was to Ildjarn what the debut had been to Darkthrone. Themes... was aesthetically confused, but the parts that worked were pretty heavily derivative of Death in June, and their subsequent releases have been fairly generic trip hop. Opeth, while doing nothing new (or interesting...or good), at least tried to recycle their influences in a new (death metal) setting.
NFU
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pretty much none of that is completely accurate.
edit: but even if it were...theres something to be said for Ulver "copying" everyone but making fantastic material that stands shoulder to shoulder with any and all their influences. Theres nothing wrong with mimicking if you can improve upon what those before you have done anyway. so i dont quite see what your point is, other than the yawnable controversy youre attempting to create with your half educated opinions on Ulver, their background and their material. which is beyond predictable, and frankly...boring.
edit: but even if it were...theres something to be said for Ulver "copying" everyone but making fantastic material that stands shoulder to shoulder with any and all their influences. Theres nothing wrong with mimicking if you can improve upon what those before you have done anyway. so i dont quite see what your point is, other than the yawnable controversy youre attempting to create with your half educated opinions on Ulver, their background and their material. which is beyond predictable, and frankly...boring.
Except there was no improvement on their sources - just more accessible imitation on a larger label. This is especially true of their early work which is notable only to the extent that they managed to get it put out on a label with solid US distro contacts.
NFU
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no improvement? that i disagree with entirely. they took some pre-done foundations and made most of their material entirely their own, and achieved their own signature sound. youre not being fair with that at all.
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What "signature sound"? This is a band that changes directions every two years or so.
I don't really feel qualified to closely dissect the later material, simply because I don't have much grounding in the history and development of trip hop - what I've heard leads me to feel Ulver's work in the genre has been pretty middle-of-the-road. I'm not enamoured with the whole direction really: like most of the stuff that has emerged from the dance halls, trip hop seems to function adequately as background mood music. But as a stand alone listening experience? Meh. There's just not much going on.
I have no misgivings whatsoever about being able to properly place their earlier material in its historical context. Bergtatt, like a lot of really bad black metal mid-90s and later black metal, takes the basic technique and production sound established by Darkthrone's classic releases, shortens the phrase lengths, cuts out the ambiguity in favor of nice, hummable resolutions and just generally rocks merrily along under a veneer of darkness. Nattens Madrigal gives much the same saccharine treatment to Ildjarn, mashes in a few extra riffs for longer songs, and then adds some spiffy artwork and a little bullshit about being recorded in the woods. None of this is an improvement - Ulver just dumbed their influences down for popular consumption.
As I mentioned, Kveldssanger emerged out of the mid-90s nordic folk revival. Predictably, Garm's interpretation was both irritatingly literal and easily marketable (faux-nostalgic accoustic noodling). It was, in any event, far less interesting than the treatment that Ulver contemporaries like Enslaved and The 3rd and the Mortal (or 3rd and the Mortal/Darkthrone side project Storm) were giving to similar basic ideas.
Themes... is a jumbled mess. It's all over the map stylistically, and borrows from a lot of different World Serpent and CMI type acts, all without really doing much except putting the pieces together in new combinations, which, to me, isn't the same as actually doing something worth hearing.
NFU
I like pie.
well then this comes down to you not enjoying what youre hearing. and whether or not Ulver was as appealing as acts like Storm, Enslaved and 3rd and the mortal (which i actually LOLed when i read) is also just your interpretation and appreciation (or the lack thereof) of the material. its really neither here nor there when it comes down to Ulvers consistancy and improvement and metamorphosis since day one until now, does it? the difference here being i have a big knowledge of electronica, avant garde and the trip hop genres, and can back up the fact that when i say Ulver hasnt straight jacked ANYone, its actually true. Your knowledge of norwegian black metal and folk revival really means very little in a discussion about Ulver considering that was 10 years, 3 norwegian grammies, 4 genres and about 8 releases ago. so id just drop it.
Sure they did - they 'straight jacked' (to use your deliciously negroid phrase) Darkthrone and Ildjarn - and given the generic nature of their later material, and, given the generic nature of their later work, presumably 'straight jacked' (really, is that related to straight ballin'?) some trip hop artists as well (they certainly 'straight jacked' Death in June and half the Cold Meat Industry roster with Themes...).
And seriously, Norwegian Grammies? Are you really introducing mainstream award ceremonies as evidence of a band's originality? You can't possibly be that stupid.
And seriously, Norwegian Grammies? Are you really introducing mainstream award ceremonies as evidence of a band's originality? You can't possibly be that stupid.
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My Man Mahmoud said:
first of all, most black metal bands ripped off darkthrone, you expect a 2nd wave norwegian black metal band to be "original"? you could pose the same argument to just about any norwegian act which wasnt part of the black circle from the get go then. and no, im not bringing up the grammies in a context of originality...but the validity. you think most of those cold meat industry records bands were the first to do those sounds anyway, and as if ANY of them are completely paralleled to an Ulver disc. ildjarn had only one EP released at the time which was even worth bringing up...and frankly wasnt much like bergtatt or especially the vargnatt material at all. ildjarn quickly went downhill from there, and to imply that Ulver were conciously ripping him off at any point after that is ludicrous considering how far above and beyond Ulver were to just about any band in that scene musically at that point anyway. let alone copying one of the worst examples. please stfu
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First pic doesn't work unless you right click->view image :O
I've seen some better pics of Garm before, I might have to try and dig them up tomorrow.
I've seen some better pics of Garm before, I might have to try and dig them up tomorrow.
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