Looking for impending Doom style tones (drums/guitar)

Tommy Evans

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I'm using a seven string ibanez tuned to G# and it's so fun! Haha. I'm trying to get a solid THICK guitar/bass tone like on their Serpent Servant album. Tim Lambesis did a good job on it. If anyone has any ideas or info about the drums used, if I can buy samples, the guitar and bass tones, or anything really, I'd appreciate the input.

If it helps, I'm running Pod Farm in Studio One with Win7 and I've got Steven Slate Drums.
 
id start with a real amp and real drums, nicely mic'd and then see where you sit. Steven slate samples are good for supplementing tracks but i wouldnt use them without a backing track. And pod works for some people but you can only get so far with it. i mean, just mic up a real amp and buy a mount for your mic and mount it on your cab so you always have it on the same spot, which should be found by taking to the time to find it.

most professional studios and audio engineers do use samples, but they at least use real overheads and blend the real drums with supplemental samples. And pod versus and real amp/mic setup is not even in the same ball park. You need the speaker to move or you'll get static frequencies with a cab impulse, making it sound nasally or like its honky. its true for drums too, you don't get the aggressiveness or grit of a fill with samples compared to a real recorded fill even if the samples are harder hits. The head does things with pitch/snares and movement that you cant replicate with samples. so these are more or less the cons to recording digital, if you want it to have balls, just use mics and get a real performance instead of trying to replicate a real performance in an unnatural, time-consuming way - youll have more hair. just some tips that will lead to better results.
 
I've always wanted to record real everything. But my lack of funds for mics and the usual lack of good heads/amps from bands impedes and just makes it easier to go the route of samples/amp modules. I do okay work tho cuz I keep getting word of mouth advertising and am booked months in advanced. But I do want to start recording real stuff. I'm not looking forward to that awkward phase between "good" quality using samples to "great" quality using real mics.

This random string of thoughts us brought to you by Texing at the Dinner Table. :)
 
If serpent servant is anything like there will be violence, there is no need to get real anything...Just find some of the most cliche and crappy sounding drum samples you can find (you'll only need 1 sample/velocity for each drum), and find any amp sim you want.

But for real, the only album of theirs I have is there will be violence, and I want to like it... But from a prodution standpoint, it's kinda not so good IMHO. The drums sound like they are straight Alesis drum brain tones with little regard to velocity or sensitivity settings and the guitars sound like any other metal band tuned low chugging on amp sims.

EDIT
Serpent Servant does sound better than TWBV....
 
Hey all, quick introduction. My name is Elmo Arteaga and I work at Lambesis Studios with Daniel Castleman (Impending Doom, Carnifex, As I Lay Dying). I personally asked Daniel a bunch of questions based off the Impending Doom albums he's done because I aboslutely LOVE the quality of his recordings (especially TWBV). Firstly, I'd like to note that the drums were recorded live at Signature Sound Studios; Studio A in San Diego,CA, and everything else at Lambesis Studios in Escondido, CA. Daniel does NOT use any amp sim software, he strictly mics amps. For those records he told me he used a tubescreamer to a 6505+ through a hand-picked mesa oversize recto cab with an sm57 and MD421 pointed at where the cone meets the cap (as of this moment, I'm unsure about the 421, I will double check and edit this post, I thoroughly apologize).

Daniel's way of mixing drums is that he likes to blend SINGLE samples into a live recording. He doesn't use multiple samples like SSD or others like that, nor does he use drumagog! He tabs-to-transient then pastes his one-sample-per-voice addition and moves to the next transient. He will then velocity automate any rolls. Although you can hear that absurd machine gun effect on the first track off TWBV, you can't deny that the remainder of the albums drums sound so clear and pristine.
 
He doesn't use multiple samples like SSD or others like that, nor does he use drumagog! He tabs-to-transient then pastes his one-sample-per-voice addition and moves to the next transient. He will then velocity automate any rolls.

:guh: This is absurd.
 
I meant more of the fact that he was doing every single hit manually is crazy... The fact of how much time and effort that takes!
 
Ahh that...well, I also heard that many old schoolers do the very same thing, tab to transient+paste. Not that uncommon really, but sure, it's very time consuming,
 
Yeah I think it used to be fairly common, I used to do it a few years ago. Some of the old drum replacement software, like soundreplacer, was so shitty you'd have to go in and nudge every hit anyway. It was almost quicker to just tab through and paste hits.
 
sorry to bump, but serpant servant was mixed by chris 'zeuss' harris. im pretty sure he uses his own samples (multisamples) wouldnt be suprised if its his guitar tone as well

serpant servant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twbv in every way
 
^to that last statement: true dat.

But where did you read that about Zuess? Ive read numerous times that lambesis did everything on that album. If I remember correctly I even saw a video of Impending Doom giving us a preview of the new songs and stuff with Lambesis..

Am I losing my mind?
 
Hm. My stubborn-ness is saying "Wikipedia is wrong a lot"

But my open mindedness is saying "well damn, every article I've read and video I've watched is wrong"

Don't know what to believe anymore!! Is my name even Tommy?! I'll have to Wikipedia it to find out for sure.
 
the ones that say lambesis/cassleman say nothing about mixing, and the ones that say zeuss are only about mixing.

producing =/= mixing