LOTR based bands

[Stormwatch]

One of the reasons power metal is such a flaming pile of shit.

You don't like Tolkien? Every post I read of your's makes me hate you more.
Honestly! You want Opeth to play more jazz stuff, you HATE Iron Maiden and Pantera and now you're having a go at LOTR???
If you hate everything why bother living for Christ sake?

 

[genocide roach]

Thorondor...I see where your name comes from. *without looking at my dictionary* Okay, Thorondor means King of Eagles. Then does Gondor mean King of Stone?

im not sure although its likely considering gondor is a very mountainous area.
~gR~

 

[Benzine]

Wishbone Ash wrote many songs about LOTR, 'Throw down the sword' and 'the king will come' being two of them

 

[LuminousAether]

You don't like Tolkien? Every post I read of your's makes me hate you more.
Honestly! You want Opeth to play more jazz stuff, you HATE Iron Maiden and Pantera and now you're having a go at LOTR???
If you hate everything why bother living for Christ sake?

When did I say that? Quit making these dubious connections and then jumping on them, you are only making yourself out to look like an idiot. Think about it for a second, liking something as a book doesn't mean that you think a song about it would be cool, because I can guarantee that it wouldn't. Songs about fantasy literature or about fantasy in general are fucking gay. End of story. Singing about knights, goblins, and that shit makes you suck.

 

[FailingAcension]

So does S T Coleridge

 

[speed]

Luminous- I think you are too quick to judge- just because someone likes something you abhor, does not make them suck- or gay etc. Surely there are eccentricies in your own life, that intelligent people would find quite odd.

Still, as I have stated before, I also dislike whole fantasy genre- it's just I really dont care if people like fantasy or not- if they choose to escape reality and waste the precious moments of their lives in a fantasy world- fine- its not as if they are trying to convert anyone- or have some philosophy or religion they are espousing.

 

[LuminousAether]

I don't care about Coleridge, I just liked that quote. I actually got it from the Clive Barker book Weaveworld, which most certainly does not suck.

 

[Thrash Metal Tormentor]

isnt there a band out there called necromancer? that would be another tolkien influence

There is, or at least was, an old finnish thrash/speed metal band called Necromancer but they had nothing to do with Tolkien. It's very likely that there is another band/bands with the same name, I wouldn't exactly call that an original bandname

 

[Stormwatch]

When did I say that? Quit making these dubious connections and then jumping on them, you are only making yourself out to look like an idiot. Think about it for a second, liking something as a book doesn't mean that you think a song about it would be cool, because I can guarantee that it wouldn't. Songs about fantasy literature or about fantasy in general are fucking gay. End of story. Singing about knights, goblins, and that shit makes you suck.

Okay, sorry. Your comment about power metal being shite because of the LOTR influence made it seem like you didn't like LOTR.
Although Led Zeppelin used LOTR stuff in some songs and they certainly didn't suck. Don't know about anything else though, cos I don't think I've heard any of the bands that sing about fantasy stuff.

 

[LuminousAether]

Listen to the Blind Guardian song "Lord of the Rings." I dare you not to laugh.

 

[Stormwatch]

I think I downloaded a song called "LOTR" by Stratovarius, but it was shite. Their singer has a squeaky voice.

 

[skeptik]

I don't understand how someone can be so stupid to think that because something they don't like is actually liked by other people, those people 'suck' or are 'gay.' Or if bands sing about fantasy topics. Number one, in Death Metal, the majority of vocals in most bands are impossible to interpret anyway, so it doesn't make a difference what they're singing about. Number two, what difference does it make what they're singing about if it's a good song?

If you don't like something, that doesn't mean it sucks. I believe many people on these forums need to take note of this. Another thing is people stating their opinions as facts. It's simply inconcievable how one can try to pass opinion off as fact, yet it's done so often around here.

Oh, and please refrain from calling indulging in the arts merely and effort 'to escape reality and waste the precious moments of their lives in a fantasy world.' If it's nothing more to you, then you obviously don't understand why other people do it. If you enjoy doing something, by the way, how is it a waste of time?

 

[speed]

Dodens Grav
Oh, and please refrain from calling indulging in the arts merely and effort 'to escape reality and waste the precious moments of their lives in a fantasy world.' If it's nothing more to you, then you obviously don't understand why other people do it. If you enjoy doing something, by the way, how is it a waste of time?

Please enlighten me why you call fantasy art? I would like to know if my hypothesis- and or observation- that fantasy lets one escape into a more perfect world, of black and white, love and hate etc. is true or not? AM I missing something? I'm not trying to be an ass about this, i would really like to know why people like it so much.

 

[Stormwatch]

Nice post Dodens Grav. I agree!

 

[Stormwatch]

Dodens Grav

Please enlighten me why you call fantasy art? I would like to know if my hypothesis- and or observation- that fantasy lets one escape into a more perfect world, of black and white, love and hate etc. is true or not? AM I missing something? I'm not trying to be an ass about this, i would really like to know why people like it so much.

Your point about escapism is obviously true - if I read a fantasy book I am escaping the mundane world we live in to go somewhere more interesting.
I never used to like fantasy, and my friend got Terry Brooks "Sword of Shannara" as a present. I laughed like the 13 year old I was and called him a fucking homo. Then I read it myself and I loved it - you should try it.
LOTR is hard going because it's so big, but there are other great books which are easier to read - like Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman's Dragonlance books (the Twins trilogy is utterly fantastic).
And it's ART because that's what writing is - even if it's shit. Just like N'sync are ART although they're utter crap.

 

[lord667]

Dodens Grav
Oh, and please refrain from calling indulging in the arts merely and effort 'to escape reality and waste the precious moments of their lives in a fantasy world.' If it's nothing more to you, then you obviously don't understand why other people do it. If you enjoy doing something, by the way, how is it a waste of time?

Please enlighten me why you call fantasy art? I would like to know if my hypothesis- and or observation- that fantasy lets one escape into a more perfect world, of black and white, love and hate etc. is true or not? AM I missing something? I'm not trying to be an ass about this, i would really like to know why people like it so much.

Yes, you are missing something. The point of all fantasy is not to provide worlds of "black and white", but that it is a pure flight of imagination, where the author/artist has a whole fictional cosmos to play with, rather than being bound to "Reality". Some authors want a clear good/evil divide, so that is a feature of their fantasies; others like the blurred boundaries, and so they keep them.

The attraction of fantasy, in a nutshell, is not one of "perfect" worlds, but simply of other worlds. It's the same reason that people go travelling to some pisspot foreign country with a tent and a camera - only more interesting, in the right hands. Of course, in the wrong hands (i.e. most power metal lyricists), it's just another Knights vs Dragons shaggy dog story from Olde England (except that it's called, like, Gwalthaarion this time around).

 

[speed]

I see, I think I understand now Lord 667- its that escapism of being in a different world- I felt that way about the original Star Wars movies when I was a kid. Still that was part of my original point- escapism. I just attached escapism with idealism and morality. If i understand you correctly it is not about creating more perfect worlds- just different worlds to escape in.

I do disagree with Takin the music back- some books are anything but art- some are poorly written tripe, printed to make money,or massage an ego. Surely there are some fantsy books that are well written, and some that are derivative, and just plain cashing in on the fantasy genre.

 

[lord667]

I see, I think I understand now Lord 667- its that escapism of being in a different world- I felt that way about the original Star Wars movies when I was a kid. Still that was part of my original point- escapism. I just attached escapism with idealism and morality. If i understand you correctly it is not about creating more perfect worlds- just different worlds to escape in.

I do disagree with Takin the music back- some books are anything but art- some are poorly written tripe, printed to make money,or massage an ego. Surely there are some fantsy books that are well written, and some that are derivative, and just plain cashing in on the fantasy genre.

Well yes, there is that element of escapism, but that applies to any fictional book, as well as most black metal, gore metal/goregrind, a lot of death metal, etc. You might extend the argument and ask why people want to waste their "precious moments" on any book, film or piece of music at all?

There are most certainly some atrocious and derivative fantasy books out there; whether that is enough to deny them the label of "art" is up for debate. "What is art?" is a question that can't be answered in a space like this. It's the sort of question you can write a pretty hefty book about.

What can be said is that, while people writing because they like fantasy will often write better than the authors of "cash-ins", in the end, it's the book that matters, not why it was written.

 

[Stormwatch]

I see, I think I understand now Lord 667- its that escapism of being in a different world- I felt that way about the original Star Wars movies when I was a kid. Still that was part of my original point- escapism. I just attached escapism with idealism and morality. If i understand you correctly it is not about creating more perfect worlds- just different worlds to escape in.

I do disagree with Takin the music back- some books are anything but art- some are poorly written tripe, printed to make money,or massage an ego. Surely there are some fantsy books that are well written, and some that are derivative, and just plain cashing in on the fantasy genre.

I don't really understand your questions anyway Speed. If you like something, who cares whether it's escapism or idealism or whatever. It's good, so just enjoy it. No?
And your point about some books being tripe - well it's like everything else - OPINIONS. You may think a book is shite and I would think it was the best book ever written. Just like music. Or computer games.
I'd say anything creative is ART, whether it's total shit or not.

 

[speed]

Ah but the irony Takethemusicback, is that your statement that anything creative is art whether it is shit or not- is your opinion.

Surely you cannot believe this in all cases- I went to see League of Extraordinary gentlemen last night, and it was god awful- if that is creative or art- well then I can draw a stick figure- and call it a piece of art. As you see, if anything that is created is art--then art has little value, as most is not only not considered art, but god awful. I think the big problem is that you find crappy music, books etc. to be creative- rather than merely created.

Oh well, I dont think we are ever going to agree on this subject- but it was fun seeing your's and others opinions on it.