Make Government Irrelevant

Norsemaiden

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Britain
They say they rule you
But they are a minority
Put there because a minority
Put an X on a piece of paper
What authority is that?
They have as much power as the people
Let them have
Paper tigers!
Ignore them!
Make government irrelevant!
The laws they pass
Never solve the problems
Make government irrelevant!
You yourself can make a difference
People like you could make all the difference
Don't waste time on politics, just
Make government irrelevant!
Why play by their rules?
Undermine them!
YOU make the change happen!
MAKE GOVERNMENT IRRELEVANT!

I bet that doesn't "scan".
Inspired by
http://www.theecologist.co.uk/archive_detail.asp?content_id=499

Question: If we want change- why wait for the government to do it and why bother going to the trouble of forming an alternative political party? People can get together (or even individuals can make an impact) and simply "make government irrelevant".
 
Norsemaiden said:
Question: If we want change- why wait for the government to do it and why bother going to the trouble of forming an alternative political party? People can get together (or even individuals can make an impact) and simply "make government irrelevant".

well, if there is a larger group of people who support the government chances are you're gunna lose out when you try to overthrow the government, so the likelihood of failure is one good reason to use the system to try and change the system, at least until you get the majority on your side.
 
"People can get together..." And do or attempt to change what exactly?
Any threat to the Govt. Leviathan, whether real or perceived, will be rapidly detected, excised root and branch, crushed in it's infancy. The romantic Putsch of yesteryear would never succeed in this day and age, with the enormous, robust Military-State governments of the west.
Given that various counties in Europe have even brought the Though Crimes of Orwell fame to life, in criminalizing speech and incarcerating people for ideas rather than acts...it seems the Powers will stop at nothing to put down even intellectual/ideological insurrection. And most of the populace says nothing in reply!
 
Norsemaiden said:
If we want change- why wait for the government to do it and why bother going to the trouble of forming an alternative political party? People can get together (or even individuals can make an impact) and simply "make government irrelevant".

Isn't the concept of "People [getting] together" the concept of government?

If we want change, we can work within the construct of an existing rule, or we can create our own rule in opposition to that existing rule...but it is all governing - it is all government.

Some verse-for-verse:
Before the phantom of False morning died,
Methought a Voice within the Tavern cried,
"When all the Temple is prepared within,
Why nods the drowsy Worshipper outside?"

~Omar Khayyam
 
The last thing we need is a new political party. Political parties are governments in-waiting. Governments do not solve problems; they move them around.

Britain’s political system is, to use the tired old oxymoron, a ‘representative democracy’. In the wake of the general election result, this absurd charade is
surely fooling less of the people than has been the case for several generations. Only 21 per cent of the 44 million people eligible to vote in May supported Labour.
Would Rankin’s new party be happy to try to transform society having won an election supported by one in fi ve of the electorate? More pertinently perhaps, could an Ecology Party even begin to put its policies in place faced with likely corporate hostility, widespread apathy
and a populous given to believing that its ‘democratic’ role begins and ends with an infrequent trip to the ballot box?

The ecology movement should not be a political movement at all; it should be a social movement. ‘The tragic reality,’ wrote permaculturist Bill Mollison, ‘is that
very few sustainable systems are designed or applied by those who hold power, and the reason for this is obvious and simple: to let people arrange their own food, energy and shelter is to lose economic and political control over them. We should cease to look to power structures,
hierarchical systems or governments to help us, and devise ways to help ourselves.’ As Kropotkin said more than a century ago, ‘it is becoming evident that it is merely stupid to elect politicians and trust them with the task of making laws’.

Instead of a new political deep ecology, the answer lies in a reinvigorated social ecology. Social ecology does
not demand that people hold this or that philosophical or ideological position; it proceeds on an empirical basis, trying to build appropriate local and bio-regional alternatives using participatory democratic forms. For
decades we have had both highly visible ecological protesters and persistent Green politicians, disasters have been highlighted and lobbying has been ceaseless; but all the while the destruction of the earth has accelerated; the solvent effects of capitalism on society have been largely unchecked; and globalisation has
marched onwards.

The task that faces us is not to mould the existing political and economic system into something more amenable to life on earth; there is absolutely no
evidence that that is even remotely possible. It is passing idiotic to believe that we can take a system based on exploitation, warfare and greed, and, by
using the very political and economic practices that drive it, make it sustainable. No, our task must be to replace the system, to create the alternative society
in its midst; as Bookchin suggests, to hollow out loyalty to the power structures until they collapse. This work, which is also the work of the best permaculturists,
organic growers, community activists and good neighbours worldwide, embodies the creation of a better society without the mediation of politicians or their
new parties. It is positive direct action in communities and workplaces.

Building a new society is a big job, but the short cut to transformation offered by politics is an illusion. Only individuals and communities can create the future we want. It may not be glamorous; it may not involve dreaming of drawing up the first ecological budget or Queen’s Speech, but it is honest work and it is a realistic alternative to passive consumption of green products, green parties, green NGOs and even green magazines. The debate we should be having is how best to make social ecology a reality. To paraphrase a misguided politician: go back to your constituencies and prepare to make the government irrelevant.
http://www.theecologist.co.uk/archive_detail.asp?content_id=499

If each of us could aim to gradually reduce the extent to which we prop up an ecologically destructive and materialistic system then we could actually change things for the better far more effectively than we could ever hope a government to do.

It is up to the individual how far they are prepared to take this - starting from planting trees, reducing use of car (not having an unnecessarily large vehicle) not working in a job that perpetuates an unethical system (ie that pollutes the environment or is involved with producing crap or furthering materialistic mentalities (some forms of advertising). If you are above average intelligence, and healthy, having children at the expense of the state. Avoid paying any more taxes than you have to. (The idea being that when the state runs out of funds for welfare - revolution will not be far behind anyway). Its great if farmers can go organic - that really helps. Buy more organic food or grow it yourself. Be less of a consumer of pointless materialistic goods. Basically don't just wait for a government to bring any changes because really it is up to each of us to live in a way that brings change.

To Old Scratch: I understand what you're saying, but I am advocating very subtle action that they can't just decide to crush.
Francis Parker Yockey - in his book "Imperium" states that the Culture Distorter can't function in a society where people are not sufficiently materialistic in outlook. So each of us should try to move in this direction.
 
Norsemaiden said:
http://www.theecologist.co.uk/archive_detail.asp?content_id=499

To Old Scratch: I understand what you're saying, but I am advocating very subtle action that they can't just decide to crush.
Francis Parker Yockey - in his book "Imperium" states that the Culture Distorter can't function in a society where people are not sufficiently materialistic in outlook. So each of us should try to move in this direction.

It seems my reply was something of an overreaction in hindsight - I was having a night chock-full of pessimistic gloom! I now see you were suggesting a much smaller and less overt approach - at least as a starting point. And we must start somewhere...