Males and Females

[Episteme]

I haven't actually read that blog, but I know a lot of the techniques PUAs use, and I use them on regular basis (but without fancy "coined" terms) before I even knew anything about PUAs.

Looks like an interesting read.

 

[MasterOLightning]

Some of that stuff is definitely useful. I don't do cold approaches, and I'm never okay with lying, but a lot of it is still helpful when it comes to connecting with girls you actually like and don't wish to manipulate.

I do get turned off by the overwhelming aggression and resentment towards women (as well as the political undercurrent) in many of the articles on that site. Seems to be more extreme with some contributors more than others. I know that's a lot of the persona that helps those people pull off that approach with women, but I get the feeling a lot of very angry, emotionally removed, and uninteresting people are using it to hide behind.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

There's so much of that stuff, i.e. teasing, that i've never really given a serious try when hanging out with chicks. It would most likely help if i made a conscious effort to do it.

What seems far more difficult than social tactics for an already-made female acquaintance is how to make the acquaintances from scratch -- i.e. "cold approaches". I find the idea of this very awkward/uncomfortable (perhaps because of the manipulation factor MOL references above), and since i've seen numerous guys achieve success by networking with existing friends, i prefer to take that route and suffer the relatively scarce opportunities it affords.

 

[Zephyrus]

I have a half-finished OKcupid profile and have yet to message anyone. I think it's because I'm afraid I'll get too sucked into it, and I keep thinking to myself that any girl on there that isn't over 200 lbs. can probably afford to be picky.

 

[Episteme]

I do cold approaches with people for the sake of social experimentation when I go out. I've never lied to a girl when it came to picking her up but I constantly tease or "neg" them.

One thing I've always found funny while working in a bar is that how uncomfortable typically perceived "alpha males" get when their girlfriend/wife seems more fixated in talking to you than giving them attention. I actually had a guy who said to me while I was talking to BOTH of them and making a cocktail for his wife (who had this massive grin on her face while talking to me), "Mate, you don't have to show off to my missus, we're married. So why don't you make us our drinks and be off with it." I actually loled at him, and told him not to worry, have a seat somewhere and I'd bring their drinks to their table.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Ok if you work as a bartender you have an unfair advantage over the rest of us

 

[Episteme]

Haha, that is true. We do have to speak to strangers every day we work, still some of us do it better than the rest and my confidence has gotten better since I've started working there.

I will be finishing off my hospitality stint soon though and will be working as a chemical engineer.

 

[Vimana]

I pretty much never do cold approaches unless there is something in the environment which I could use to start a conversation, like if a girl is wearing a band t shirt of a band I like, or I'm in a music store and a girl is checking out a cd that I have, etc.

I have a half-finished OKcupid profile and have yet to message anyone. I think it's because I'm afraid I'll get too sucked into it, and I keep thinking to myself that any girl on there that isn't over 200 lbs. can probably afford to be picky.

Use plentyoffish. It's got a shitload of people, and it's not as filled with whores like okcupid. The bulk of the messages I got from okcupid were from fat girls/whores who used small talk like "oh, you like cats, so do I."

 

[zabu of nΩd]

I pretty much never do cold approaches unless there is something in the environment which I could use to start a conversation, like if a girl is wearing a band t shirt of a band I like, or I'm in a music store and a girl is checking out a cd that I have, etc.

Yeah. For me those opportunities dont seem to come up often, and it's hard to get creative on conversation starters without venturing into that manipulative territory.

 

[Vimana]

I usually start with a general statement and leave it up to the person to be interested enough to continue talking. The more rare that someone would have heard and enjoyed the band on the shirt or cd, the more likely it is that the person would want to continue the conversation. Besides, if I say something brief, and the person doesn't respond, I can quickly play it off like something said in passing so it feels less awkward.

 

[SentinelSlain]

Let's look at this girl.

you missed it.

 

[Pessimism]

I've got to say, I don't want to have sex with a woman who will fuck me on the first date. Also, that site is so over the top it's hilarious. All the "points" they keep giving boil down to nothing more than:
1. Be honest with yourself
2. Keep an air of mystery
3. Be flirty when you want
4. Don't let anyone walk over you
5. Don't chase anyone all the fucking time.
BAM, all the points of teasing and dating with none of the pretentious douchery.

That children's game article is hilarious. "This fucking bitch loves skipping over cracks, that means I'll get to fuck her straight tonight!"



At least I learned two hilarious turns of phrase: indentured betatude & the sperg herd.

 

[Vimana]

I'm sure there is some pickup artist blog out there that doesn't make tons of posts playing on simple (and obvious) psychology, belittle women, think a woman is dtf when she isn't, come up with stupid ideas that would probably only work on women with IQs no greater than 80, and in the process, assert this alpha male persona that they ironically feel the need to justify.

Chateau Heartiste is not it, though.

Edit, here's an example of his justifying, which he does by insulting people against what he does:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/comment-of-the-week-the-motivations-of-anti-gamers/

I don't think I have met any self-proclaimed alpha male who didn't show any telltale signs of insecurity. They always exaggerated their victories, never admitted to any loss, but instead said something like "I could have fucked her but decided not to," and insulted anyone who would accuse them of being insecure by belittling them, rather than by proving that they are not insecure.

 

[Vossyrus]

I find "pickup artists" amusing. They've created a so-called art to something that is basically what Vimana said, simple psychology.

 

[Vimana]

I find it interesting how they use so many metaphors and obscure and long words. It's almost like they're trying to create a subconscious impression that what they do isn't simple in nature by making their method of telling it more complex and almost artful.

On a number of blogs and websites covering the story of Steve Jobs’ death, there was much consternation among the commentariat about a small anecdote from his personal life retold in his new biography.

 

[Onder]

The simplier you do it, the better tbh.

 

[Satanstoenail]

The simplier you do it, the better tbh.

Open a two-set with some subtle negging, demonstrate higher value and throw in a gambit, and close the deal with some light physical contact. Simple.

 

[waif]

I have a friend who's a virgin but totally sold on the pickup artist shit. Going out with him can be really annoying cause he only wants to hit on women. Apparently this is referred to as "sarging" and when you touch a girl that's called "keno." I find those terms hilarious. He never gets anywhere with women, partially because he comes on too strong and partially because he comes off as a little gay.

One time another friend and I were just sitting and talking while this guy was talking to a girl next to us. We overheard him start talking about how he sings in a choir as if that's impressive and started laughing so hard it disrupted their conversation.

Thing is, he's a really nice guy. Smart, sweet, and not at all the alpha-douche stereotype.

 

[The Ozzman]

Use plentyoffish. It's got a shitload of people, and it's not as filled with whores like okcupid. The bulk of the messages I got from okcupid were from fat girls/whores who used small talk like "oh, you like cats, so do I."

I really think it depends on the area of the country. Both of them suck for my area IMO.

 

[Onder]

I have a friend who's a virgin but totally sold on the pickup artist shit. Going out with him can be really annoying cause he only wants to hit on women. Apparently this is referred to as "sarging" and when you touch a girl that's called "keno." I find those terms hilarious. He never gets anywhere with women, partially because he comes on too strong and partially because he comes off as a little gay.

One time another friend and I were just sitting and talking while this guy was talking to a girl next to us. We overheard him start talking about how he sings in a choir as if that's impressive and started laughing so hard it disrupted their conversation.

Thing is, he's a really nice guy. Smart, sweet, and not at all the alpha-douche stereotype.

Wait WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT wait..


Wait.

A virgin pick-up artist?