There was a 2205 on eBay recently. It went for € 730: http://cgi.ebay.at/Marshall-JCM-800...ItemQQimsxZ20090502?IMSfp=TL090502125001r4294
Marshall JCM 2000 TSL
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I just came across a thread that said something about bleed-over between the two channels on the 2205. What's that all about? That thread also says something about a diode clipping stage in the 2205s/2210s. So they are not all-tube or what? I thought the diode-stuff is what some people seem to hate with TSLs so how's that different in 800s?
Here's the link: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=1641977
Here's the link: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=1641977
MetalJonesy
more metal, more booze!!!
Steven,
i used to have a 4100 JCM900, sucked balls, however the clean channel was amazing on it! the power section was also very nice as i used to run my pod into the fx return and it sounded killer.
anywhoo the 900 can do rock and thats about it, and even then the tone is crushed, muffled, thin at times and messy.
below is a clip i recorded about 8 years ago with my JCM900 through a standard 1960A cab. SM57 close miced, either at the centre of the cone or ala sneap as we call it these days. Yamaha O2R>Fostex D160 16bit HD recorder (oldschool!!!
) its ok, and it just gives you an idea of the amp, but id always steer well clear of the TSL and JCM900 amps (apart from the SLX version)http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/369408/JCM900EL34S DBL.mp3
cobhc
Amiga Enthusiast
Maybe it's always been the SL-X I've heard good clips of.
Edit: Decent 4100 clip [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92iA-sPcjVE&feature=related[/ame] He clean boosted the input to get more gain, but it sounds pretty nice to me.
Edit: Decent 4100 clip [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92iA-sPcjVE&feature=related[/ame] He clean boosted the input to get more gain, but it sounds pretty nice to me.
In order to get a DSL to sound any good in comparison to a JCM 800 you need to change a load of parts, I bought a broken one and went right through it,
the biggest improvement was to get Sowter transformers to make a very large custom output transformer based on an old Hiwatt partridge transformer design to try improve the low end.
Mercury magnetics have an upgrade part and add on choke to do this sort of thing, I had a very good result with a JCM 900 Dual rev that had these parts added.
The TSL is thin and sounds kind of strangulated to me but the DSL was a bit that way originally but I don't think I would go for the 100 watt DSL because of the thermal bias problems and other known issues with the fully loaded power amp pcb. Because I offer amps and cabs in my rehearsal studio I need amps to be totally reliable however badly abused, I had to change the two output tube octal sockets to ceramic and repair the board carbon tracking shorts between pin 2 and pin 3 with the fifty before it was reliable.
My old JCM 800 is still very very hard to beat except maybe by my old 1968 dual glass rectifier Matamp which seems very very lively with the old Metalzone 2 Pedal.
cobhc
Amiga Enthusiast
Dude, a youtube video with a camera mic? Really?
Lol, I've heard good things in the past from them, and just thought that clip would give a little idea of the character.
Machinated
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RiF
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If I remember right, the tech who repaired my JCM 800 2205 said, that both channels are connected somehow. I got the "bleed" due to a damaged chip that controls this connection and it sounded like listening to the clean AND the crunch channel at once.
And yes, the 2205/2210 are no all-and-only-tube-amps. The crunch channel has a diode-clipping circuit for higher gain sounds but this makes the sound pretty tight and raw instead of tubey-creamy-muddy. Some people like (Tom Morello is one of them) it, some don't.
And yes, the 2205/2210 are no all-and-only-tube-amps. The crunch channel has a diode-clipping circuit for higher gain sounds but this makes the sound pretty tight and raw instead of tubey-creamy-muddy. Some people like (Tom Morello is one of them) it, some don't.
RiF
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Yep, my tech had a bit of a problem finding the actual fault, which was the IC that's responsible for switching/connecting the channels. Then he soldered in a socket (the original one was soldered directly on the PCB) and inserted the new IC, that's it. Now I have one JCM 800 problem less, it still hums like there's no tomorrow, though...
RiF
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Yes, a noise gate should help but it hums so loud that you can nearly hear it while playing ;-(. This does not seem to be normal and my amp is probably in a bad shape...
A JCM 800 2210 went for € 660 on eBay yesterday. Seems like a good price to me.
Also a JCM800 MKII 2203 with a "Baldringer" (3 channel) mod went for € 893,88.
Also a JCM800 MKII 2203 with a "Baldringer" (3 channel) mod went for € 893,88.
