derek
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Not necessarily. I find christianity distateful, I was criticising that more so than trying to validate my perspective on life.
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Final_Product said:
I find some of what has been done in the name of christianity to be distasteful too. I also dislike metalcore, grindcore, emocore, hardcore etc. but that doesn't mean that I say "all heavy music is shit".
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derek
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Well, that is a useful analogy. I have nothing to counter it with, christianity and its belief system do not work for me. I make no judgements upon those that it does, providing they are open minded enough to accept people believe different things. Much like you seem to.
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derek
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proglodite said:
Ha, Well I'd love to engage in more discussion. BUT, I don't have much else to say
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Few people were mentioning free will here. I'll just jump in to comment on this. It seems that free will is always perceived in a very black-white fashion, and is alwayst mentioned as something that is universal an all levels, for all people.
My experience is that free will is something very personal and dependable. For instance there are people that lead very robotic "predestined" life based on their character traits. So their free will is very small because even if they think they are making choices they are just pre-programmed machines technically. Based on degree of some person's awareness, he-she can be more flexible, able to learn and change and adopt over time, and so he gets more of a "free will" capability.
Jumping now to more esoteric side, that may not be acceptable to everyone, I have had a chance to meet from time to time person that claimed to have clairvoyant abilities, and proved it at few occasions. One time, he commented that there is a lot of people especially older, or simple, usual people, where he can be so exact, as to predict exact dates person will have injury and similar stuff. He also said that there are few other people that he can "see" as a constant change with few predefined possible paths where he can predict few things about future but is still aware that it can change a lot eventually.
Wherever someone will take this serious or not, it is interesting to me as concept of "partially" defined life paths and free will that is absolute free but inside absolute limited borders that cannot be crossed is also mentioned in some eastern philosophies, and is at basis of some methods as Astrology (although it seems that people are missinformed that Astrology treats individual destiny as pre-defined and unchangable)
My experience is that free will is something very personal and dependable. For instance there are people that lead very robotic "predestined" life based on their character traits. So their free will is very small because even if they think they are making choices they are just pre-programmed machines technically. Based on degree of some person's awareness, he-she can be more flexible, able to learn and change and adopt over time, and so he gets more of a "free will" capability.
Jumping now to more esoteric side, that may not be acceptable to everyone, I have had a chance to meet from time to time person that claimed to have clairvoyant abilities, and proved it at few occasions. One time, he commented that there is a lot of people especially older, or simple, usual people, where he can be so exact, as to predict exact dates person will have injury and similar stuff. He also said that there are few other people that he can "see" as a constant change with few predefined possible paths where he can predict few things about future but is still aware that it can change a lot eventually.
Wherever someone will take this serious or not, it is interesting to me as concept of "partially" defined life paths and free will that is absolute free but inside absolute limited borders that cannot be crossed is also mentioned in some eastern philosophies, and is at basis of some methods as Astrology (although it seems that people are missinformed that Astrology treats individual destiny as pre-defined and unchangable)
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Men believe themselves to be free because they are conscious of their desire, but ignorant of its causes. They are rather like a conscious stone that has been flung through the air and takes its "free will" to be the cause of its flight.
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