Scourge of Malice said:and what would you classify botch as?
Yeah we're obsiouly not talking Metal-Core as KSE and other boring bands . Hear We are the Romans : amazing songwriting , highly inventive structures , unorthodox guitar and drum patterns , yet it's cohesive .They somehow contributed and invented modern hardcore along with Converge and some other bands (I'm no specialist here) . The Dillinger Escape Plan and the followers come from there. American Nervoso was released in 1998.