Michael Stanne's voice

[SOADarkT]

First I've bought "damage done" and I found the melody and the deep voice really nice. After I've bought "haven", it was the same thing. Finally I 've bought "projector" and I 've discovered that Michael Stanne has an amazing voice when he sing !!! I love when he sing and he bellow with his deep voice.
Why he don't sing for the album "haven" and "damage done"??
Personally I would prefer if M. Stanne sing and bellow with his deep voice for the next album (like projector)

And you ??

I hope that there isn't a similar post.

 

[SOADarkT]

I wrote :
I hope that there isn't a similar post.

There is a similar post... shit !!!

 

[insidethefall]

It doesn't matter if there is, I want Stanne's clean vox back too, they are truely some of the best ever.

 

[krigsbarn]

I gathered from decent sources and not just "imagination"... They don't put clean vocals in order to sell more, neither to make their albums sound better; they did it when they felt it would suit to add some. (and we know that Stanne can sing that way since the beginning) If they didn't add any on Haven or Projector, it's in the artistic way of not doing things JUST for the attraction of simple minds. Dark Tranquillity is not Soilwork or In Flames, no matter why those two other bands do it, it's THEIR music, not how music should be. (Clean vocals aren't there to contrast from the death vocals as if those ones were supposed to be called "ugly", if music was that way every death metal band would do the death vocal verse / clean vocals chorus schem all the way, you think that's artistic?)

Now other thing: Mikeal Stanne can sing very good, but in studio conditions, recording those melodic lines are VERY DIFFICULT, and when recording projector they needed a full week just to record those parts. It's more expensive, it requires a lot of time, and a lot of work for Stanne.

So, mister SOAD, if saying "I'd prefer if he sings bellow in the next album" is supposed to extend "more people would buy the next album if Stanne sings bellow" Then, you're thinking about the wrong kind of artists.

 

[krigsbarn]

One last thing about how people percieve Dark Tranquillity's "Melodic Death Metal". Musically speaking, I'd rather see Dark Tranquillity remove their melodies in an artistic way than adding 200% more melodic riffs in an superficial esthetic way.

Melodies (with rythm) are the heart of a song; not special effects added like make up.

I remember in the interview of the swedish band Divine Souls, a new melodic death band. The zine asked "With all those new melodic death metal, what can you tell that your band has more than the others?"

I had my big laugh when I read the answers "We have a lot of melodies, very varied, and a lot a lotta melodies bla bla". First I thought that they really thought the listeners are retards who don't know shit about art. But I'm sure they aren't that wrong in the end.

PS: maybe my music will have better ratings if it has three 8 string guitars, two drummers, 3 keyboarders, sampling, 3 different singers, every melody harmonised, clean vocals everywhere, death vocals everywhere, melodies everywhere, 300 pages booklet, holographic artwork, 24 songs with styles including pop, rap, black metal, heavy metal and country.

 

[Ormir]

Excellent posts krigsbarn, best I've seen on this forum for a long time. Well, you expressed the matter in a quite thorough manner, so I'll just undersign.

 

[Delirious]

Why he don't sing for the album "haven" and "damage done"??

well, there is some "clean" singing in Emptier Still...

So, mister SOAD, if saying "I'd prefer if he sings bellow in the next album" is supposed to extend "more people would buy the next album if Stanne sings bellow" Then, you're thinking about the wrong kind of artists.

you´re totally right about the DT/artistic/commercialism issue, but where is the wrong in wishing Stanne would sing clean sometimes?
I, of course, don´t want them to go for record sales only (and I know they won´t) but still, but I do love the clean vox on Projector and think it would be great if clean singing appeared on future albums.
I mean; if they for example stopped using guitars I´m quite sure I would miss them, no matter how artistic and unconventional it is. quite a weird comparision, I know...

 

[krigsbarn]

Excellent posts krigsbarn, best I've seen on this forum for a long time. Well, you expressed the matter in a quite thorough manner, so I'll just undersign.

Tack! ;-)

 

[krigsbarn]

well, there is some "clean" singing in Emptier Still...



you´re totally right about the DT/artistic/commercialism issue, but where is the wrong in wishing Stanne would sing clean sometimes?
I, of course, don´t want them to go for record sales only (and I know they won´t) but still, but I do love the clean vox on Projector and think it would be great if clean singing appeared on future albums.
I mean; if they for example stopped using guitars I´m quite sure I would miss them, no matter how artistic and unconventional it is. quite a weird comparision, I know...

Agreed, but "appreciate" and "ask for". Is not the same thing. I don't want DT to add vocals, I want them to do what they always done well, and if they say they'll add clean vocals, I'll remember of Skydancer and Projector, how they did very well sticking their music with clean vocals. So it's cool. And we'll always know there are songs that can't have clean vocals on it

 

[SOADarkT]

Krigsbarn, I agree with you. But I would not say that M.Stanne should sing more for the next album, in order to sell more.
Personnally it's still better if I hear the amazing voice of Stanne, but it's a detail. The music of DT is really wonderful, they have a lot of talent and any band look like Dark Tranquility.
I'm not a pure death metal fan. I hope that you understand me if I prefer when M.Stanne sing.
When I was in Scandinavia, I 've heard an old album of Dark Tranquility. I didn't buy because I found too "hard".

 

[rahvin]

the band considered turning to clean vocals right after the completion of projector. in the end it was more the live - not studio - results that tipped the balance in favour of keeping the growls as dt's main singing style.

to my knowledge, the "how much is this going to sell?" question regarding the vocals never entered the picture. dark tranquillity being widely known in just a very specific area, clean vocals could as well destroy their fanbase instead of making it bigger, so i guess - especially in 1999/2000 - there was also no way to anticipate how the wind would blow and come up with a strategy based on record sales.

 

[krigsbarn]

Yeah, that's what I said with facts. But the selling thing didn't enter the picture but is all around it these days if you see what I mean. And so we don't even need to prove that they don't do that to sell because we know how it sounds when a melodic death metal band does it that way. And obviously we see how DT is, and it's not that kind of artists to do that.

About the "Turning to clean vocals" it's either bullshit, or you're not talking about the same Dark Tranquillity. The whole concept itself is about the lyric growls with that special music. (go read the biographies again) And Stanne would never have abandoned that.

 

[rahvin]

i know. and i can understand it might be kind of hard to believe a band never stops to think about marketing strategies, but in a way i'm convinced most people into heavy metal are a little too much on the conspiracy theorists side of things... i doubt even bands like in flames or arch enemy, currently accused of heinous selling-out, have actually devoted more than a passing thought to the changes that would make their music a more lucrative business. perhaps they did worry about reaching more people, or they simply got sucked themselves in the hype for a more "popular" style.

 

[rahvin]

About the "Turning to clean vocals" it's either bullshit, or you're not talking about the same Dark Tranquillity. The whole concept itself is about the lyric growls with that special music. (go read the biographies again) And Stanne would never have abandoned that.

sorry, it's not either. for a short period of time they actually considered doing just that.

 

[krigsbarn]

About IF, AE, Soilwork.. there's a big marketing manipulation OK, but we know it'd be awesome to be considered as a rock band instead of an obscure "underground satanic extreme metal". It's something we - fans - can't understand, it's not all about money, but money is all about that.

Ok, they lost a lot of quality, but they sell more, their sound is better, they tour everywhere in the world, they have fans everywhere, they have more money OK, they don't have to dig their brain deep to make albums, they go on TV, they play on stadiums..........everything big comes from small beginnings, and yes, small beginnings, even if it's the true way, can't survive if you want to rise

 

[krigsbarn]

sorry, it's not either. for a short period of time they actually considered doing just that.

:'(

 

[krigsbarn]

About the marketting manipulation, let's all remember of GARDENIAN. .... And give the big finger to Nuclear Blast with Soilwork.

 

[rahvin]

About IF, AE, Soilwork.. there's a big marketing manipulation OK, but we know it'd be awesome to be considered as a rock band instead of an obscure "underground satanic extreme metal". It's something we - fans - can't understand, it's not all about money, but money is all about that.

it is however possible that the third band in a row to jump on the same bandwagon won't get much benefits from the change in style, and lose their former fans without finding room to fit in the higher league. in flames will probably experience some fleeting popularity then revert back to average-to-small sized band, and i can't really imagine a conscious choice on the part of their members, while it makes more sense to me that they just got influenced by some nu-metal bands they liked. even more so arch enemy or soilwork, who will probably get next to no advantages from their change of direction aside from a slightly less invisible video-rotation on mtv.

 

[Salamurhaaja]

Excellent posts krigsbarn, best I've seen on this forum for a long time. Well, you expressed the matter in a quite thorough manner, so I'll just undersign.

I have to agree, that was a pleasure to the brain.
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[krigsbarn]

I have to agree, that was a pleasure to the brain.
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