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i mean, floyd is clearly past his best and he often gives up the first three rounds anyway, but conor definitely posed him some problems to solve (which he did, like he always does), and might've even made it close if he didn't have such crappy stamina. he was exhausted by round 4 - i know floyd landed a body shot or two but you need to have more gas than that to have a chance at that level, he always tires too quickly in the UFC too. floyd never even starts expending energy until the midpoint of the fight, so if you gas before then you're fucked. conor said 'i turned him into a mexican' - i think he'd be exhausted by the middle of r1 against an actual mexican body puncher lol. i guess the big weight cut can't have helped.

admirable effort and surprisingly fun fight anyways. it was cool and weird seeing floyd adopt a peekaboo guard and start stalking him haha, i kinda wish he'd done more of that in his career. both guys can feel pretty content with their night's work.
 
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the record is just meaningless anyway, there are fighters with a loss count in double figures who have a better resume than either floyd or marciano. and loads of guys got to 50-0, j c chavez was 86-0, only difference is they didn't retire but carried on taking risks.
 
Of course there are guys with better resumes, and not just a few btw.

Im just saying the guy clearly wanted to retire with the 50-0 record. To me he is still 49-0. Winning a circus fight against an amateur should in no way go on his professional record. The WBC should be ashamed of themselves.

edit: oh and beating up local mexican cans for the first 40 or so fights of your career is not impressive tbh.
 
yeah i don't disagree. i guess i kinda like that he's got to 50-0 from this joke fight though just because it's the ultimate demonstration of how little a boxer's record actually means without context, and it just totally cheapens the 'achievement' rather than elevating mayweather. it's also the perfect summary of floyd's cherrypickin' career that he'd finally reach that milestone by fighting a debutant.
 
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i still think probably golovkin, i do think he's slowed down a bit but that shouldn't matter so much in this kind of fight. there's just too much of a power differential in a fight where the two guys are gonna mostly meet in the centre of the ring, they're both gonna land plenty and i don't see that going well for canelo, who doesn't seem to have enough on his punches this high up to trouble GGG's quality chin (whereas golovkin's power is pretty nasty). i can see canelo winning rounds with his greater volume, crisper combinations etc, especially as golovkin's defence isn't great, and i could see him outmuscling golovkin on the inside at times too - i wouldn't be surprised if he takes an early lead. but if he's still outboxing GGG in the latter half of the fight after inevitably taking serious punishment to the body i'll be surprised and super impressed, and even moreso if he managed to get a knockout somehow. i also worry about canelo's tendency to take rounds off and get pummelled on the ropes, he's done that in pretty much every fight i've seen and that is gonna be like catnip for a fighter like golovkin.

i recommend this vid as a tactical preview of the fight btw:
 
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nobody cares about the little guys but i'm excited about the super flyweight card tonight. it's arguably the most stacked division in boxing right now and this card contains the top 5 fighters, four of them fighting one another. i'm a big fan of chocolatito gonzalez and still consider him p4p #1 right now even though he lost his last fight by controversial decision - most people had him at #1 before that fight and he should've got the W so whatever. i don't think ward beating kovalev by dickpunch or mayweather's 'comeback' means they get to leapfrog him - maybe if golovkin or canelo dominate that fight they'll go ahead though.

but yeah, only reason gonzalez looks more human than some of the other p4p level guys is that this is his fourth weight class, stacked with talent, and he already dominated the previous three. i'm hoping he can win his rematch and then get a fight with naoya 'monster' inoue who's probably the most badass fighter aged u25 in the sport right now.
 
i actually think it wont end up well for GGG if he tries to keep this fight on the inside(which he often does). And also while both have fought plenty of cans, Canelo has a better resume imo. Whereas GGG almost lost of the best fighter he faced to date. I honestly think Canleo punches just as hard or harder(dont really care what a burned Chavez Jr says) and he is much better on his feet. I actually dont mind GGG mostly flatfooted style(thats how i fought), but its just not going to work out here imo. His left hook is pretty scary, even though he leads with it sometimes .. which will probably cost him his consciousnesses if he does that in this fight.

And i must be tripping, looks like most of the pros are picking Canelo
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/0/ggg-vs-canelo-latest-odds-best-bets-predictions/

edit: also, Saul loves cracking the body too. That's how he usually opens his opponents up. And fighting with his back to the ropes doesn't mean much when the guy is clearly a counter puncher. Where you one of the people that thought kirkland "pummeled" him for a little bit? Because thats what my dad was saying too until i made him watch that fight again ... and the weird thing is he boxed for years, so i was amazed that he initially thought that.
 
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canelo has the better resume in terms of good opponents (well, not lately, so it's impossible to really say if he's improved this past couple years, but in general yeah), but also has had the greater size advantages and frequently closer fights, so that's swings and roundabouts to me. he probably lost to trout (although open scoring made that a weird fight), a lot of people think he lost to lara too although i scored that for canelo - both were super close anyhow. cotto is the best win since then and he's old and looked tiny in there, and still made it fairly competitive and never really looked hurt. the walking punchbag that was chavez, who'd been dropped and stopped by the featherfisted fonfara previously, took 145 power punches and never really looked hurt either. big guy with a generally strong chin, sure, but the same can be said for golovkin, who i've seen take big shots from one-punch KO artists like lemieux and jacobs (the two most powerful middleweights IMO) and just shrug like it was nothing. we haven't seen canelo take big shots from powerful middleweights... ever, because he's dodged the division for ages even though he's seemed to be a natural middleweight for a while (yeah i'm still a little salty over his holding that belt hostage lol). and a lot of the guys canelo's KOd have been clearly smaller than him, too. so i'm not ruling out he has enough power and/or enough durability, maybe middleweight is where he really comes into his own, i'm just saying i'm yet to be convinced.

golovkin is probably a bit overrated and declining anyway, there's only so much credit you can get for dominating a single weak division. i wouldn't take too much from the jacobs fight though as he's both a quality operator and a stylistic nightmare for that kind of methodical pressure fighter IMO - i reckon he'd give canelo some serious issues too with his size, range, power and movement, and i'd like to see that fight at some point in the future. i actually think the only reason this fight is happening is because oscar saw GGG jacobs and decided he looks more human - they obviously didn't think canelo was ready before that given that they even relinquished the belt to avoid a golovkin fight. i think it's dangerous to base anything on that jacobs fight 'cause this will be a very different kind of fight to that one. canelo is a counter-puncher for sure but he isn't as evasive and defensive as jacobs was, he's tough as fuck and he's not gonna be getting on his bike and jabbing GGG to death. if you're right that he actually can match him for power then maybe it won't matter, i definitely think he has the greater speed, accuracy and volume.

and yeah actually that vid i linked talks about how good canelo can be off the ropes, and it's fine when that's a legitimate tactic. but i also think he's always had stamina issues and sometimes he'll sit there more to recuperate than anything else. even chavez landed some stuff in those moments, and that was not a fight where it could be justified by the counter-punching argument 'cause there was no need for that, he was bossing just about every minute of that fight at a canter. i don't remember thinking it about the kirkland fight, i barely remember that fight tbh. the lara fight was where the gas issues were most apparent, not that he was getting pummelled there but he kept backing off every time it looked like he was getting on top and going really passive - i really thought he had lara's number if he'd not been struggling for breath half the time. maybe the main reason for that is he was drained down below middleweight, if he's got a much better gas tank here i'll consider it more even, but there's also the possibility he'll have a worse tank than ever 'cause he's likely gonna take more/harder body shots than ever before.

like you said though, canelo will go to the body too, and golovkin has slowed down noticeably in the past couple years i think, so... i mean, again, it really all comes back to that question of how much of a difference there is between their power i think (if any). i'm glad we finally get to find out, feels like i've been waiting for this nearly as long as mayweather pacquiao at this point. i don't think this one will disappoint though. i don't agree with anyone who thinks it's gonna be a wipeout or an early KO or shit like that. my prediction, for what little it's worth, is canelo takes an early lead but starts to tire over time, golovkin starts to control the second half of the fight, starts to really get to him in the last couple rounds but doesn't stop him, but it's enough to win on the cards. cue a rematch.
 
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Been watching UFC on and off for years and it's a mixed bag and usually catch prelims, but this MMA fighter rick glenn beat the shit out of this other MMA so fucking bad, he gave this dude a beat down like fuck, dude was fuct, now that was a fight.
 
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