Hell_Awaits
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Hell ya this is the best idea I've heard all day....where are the damn atheist-extremists when you need them
more proof Islam is evil and should be destroyed
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Hell ya this is the best idea I've heard all day....where are the damn atheist-extremists when you need them
Until Seance posted, for the sole purpose of swinging from Shadow's nuts, I hadn't thought about why I hadn't responded. Then I realized it. They were too fuckin' long! So, I popped an adderal XR and started reading. I still can't make it through a full post without switching pages to see if Drudge updated.Yeah! And I only complained about hard-ons.
This fellow goes on and on and on and on and on! And on and on! And on! And on, and on and on and on and on...
I'm still waiting for answers to me first post on this driveling thread, right after ShadowGallery fucked with me by criticising my grammar.
All I got in response was tears and racism accusations. But that's the fun of this place, I guess
Jurched
Yeah! And I only complained about hard-ons.
This fellow goes on and on and on and on and on! And on and on! And on! And on, and on and on and on and on...
I'm still waiting for answers to me first post on this driveling thread, right after ShadowGallery fucked with me by criticising my grammar.
All I got in response was tears and racism accusations. But that's the fun of this place, I guess
Jurched
I answered your second post, which is pretty much the same as your first. Was that just tears and racism accusations? Cause I'm pretty sure it was quotes and proof
I do go on a bit, though, bad habit, I guess =S I answered your second post paragraph for paragraph, like you did, I would think if I spent all the time to get through your entire post, you could take the time to get through mine...
Evil Dead
Hail to the King baby
Unless you believe Southpark, Atheists just wanna chill. But if we did run things, we would battle each other and fight..what were they, beavers?
I've actually never watched Al Jazeera. I don't use televised media to get my information. I use actual information reports and well-tested studies. News coverage only covers what will get the most views and most support. Zionists have a fairly strong suport on American media, as well, so if the reality of anti-Palestinian terrorism was broadcasted, the news stations could lose a lot of support especially from some of the very powerful zionist (Murdoch for example) media figures at the moment.
About the kidnappings, read Sue's article, many children are kidnapped and forced until they're persuaded to join Al-Queda.. It's easy to manipulate a child into joining a terrorist organization at such a young age, it has nothing to do with religion and chances are they haven't read the Qur'an in it's entirety yet at such a young age, the ones who are in Al Queda, usually go by the ideals of the group Al Queda, not the morals, etc, of Islam as a religion.
What was the criminal-related death-toll rate in Iraq before 2003? Percentage-wise, not much more than the crime rate in the US.. Just some civil problems.. (Then the Iraq war started, which caused civil war to break out, civilian death toll shot up.. None of which had to do with Al Queda.. It was civil problems, multiplied by several times thanks to the Iraq war) And that's exactly the difference. Civil problems are problems within a nation, internal problems.. It is much more different than a population (the former European Jews) coming into a country and destroying villages of the previous population to make room for their own. Killing any who stood in protest, leaving millions homeless after destroying homes and forcing them to just leave their homes/villages. Eventually putting these millions and millions of people onto a plot of land much less than 1/50th the size of Florida.. Crippling, or actually, permanently de-establishing Palestinian economy until all of Palestine belongs to Israel, and Israeli zionist officials even stated that any Arabs that stand in their way of taking Israel will perish.. So you tell me which is worse? Palestinian attacks on Israel due to unrest caused by making Israel making almost unbareable for Palestinians, which result in not even a fifth of what Israeli attacks on civilians do.. Or Zionists believing it's their God-Given right to make Israel a Jewish state as a form of ethnic cleansing. While the Palestinians just what to end the horrible oppression upon them, Zionists continue to kill and take land from PAlestinians for religious and ethnic reason..
Anyways, what right do you have to decide what religion is a joke or not? What makes Christianity, Islam or Judaism a joke? The fact that they give billions of people world-wide reason to stick to moral beliefs? No religion is pro-violence, it's like I said, the place where evil develops is usually when an already evil person tries to turn a religion into radical, extremist ideas.. That's how Anti-Abortion, . And YES, Al Queda IS looked down upon in the Muslim world, or else it would not be outlawed in all Muslim countries. If it wasn't looked down upon, civil war wouldn't develop, it would be multi-national wars, as that would mean all Muslims agree with the small groups of extremists, but they don't, which is why there are civil wars where Muslims put an end to such extremist organizations.. The only place where an organization like this prevailed was in Afghanistan because Afghani civilians weren't powerful enough, but they continued to fight and with the help of the US, the Taliban was taken away from power.
Anyways, lets say what you want happens.. All religions end.. Then what? Complete peace and no violence? Of course not, new groups would form and would fight, the reason all these problems occur is the PEOPLE.. It's not a religious reason.. And what makes Islam more evil? Never has there been as large scale a RELIGIOUS killing as the crusades or Inquisition in Islam. Al Queda is an outlawed radical Islamist group that's hated by the entire world, not just the superior Christians.. Either way, honestly, if the morals we have to look for in the future, represented by people such as yourself that would gladly look upon the death of a religion and the center of which it is peacefully practiced (a Church of a Mosque), I would much rather keep the morals of Christianity, Islam and Judaism, as they've kept extremist groups from prevailing in the Middle East, the Americas, Europe, etc.. Even if all religious morals were taken away, extremism would still exist, as it is people who are evil, not religions, there would always be a small amount of people would just find another idea to abuse and turn into their own evil, radical views, and without religious morals, if anything, this form of extremism would grow.
Hell_Awaits
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SueNC
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Evil Dead
Hail to the King baby
And you believe the moon landing was staged right? More conspiracy mumbo jumbo.
Iraq was better off before the war no doubt. But the civil problems you mention isnt a class between poor and rich, which would be a civil dispute, but between rival religious factions making it a religious war amongst countrymembers. And Palestine, its a joke. They want oppression to end? Well guess what, time to ante up and play ball. They wont ever win against israel. Too many western allies. No middle eastern country will have the upper hand. Concession is the only thing. IS what they did wrong? Probably, but fighting, suicide bombing, rocket attacks, those things wont get them their own state. ANd now seriously, Palestine..what a joke. They are going to tear themselves apart. They can't even stick together for a common goal. Violence seems to be the universal answer in the muslim world. Dont like a politician? Blow up his fucking car. Dont like the other party? Take them into the streets and execute them in front of their wives and children.
Free will gives me the right. In this country we can express ourselves, unlike most of the rest of the world. If you believe your religious texts, you must obviously believe stories like King Arthur, Beowulf, or anything with fairies and dragons, that shit is almost more believable. Closed minds are what have brought the world to its current state.
[/quote]Anyways, lets say what you want happens.. All religions end.. Then what? Complete peace and no violence? Of course not, new groups would form and would fight, the reason all these problems occur is the PEOPLE.. It's not a religious reason.. And what makes Islam more evil? Never has there been as large scale a RELIGIOUS killing as the crusades or Inquisition in Islam. Al Queda is an outlawed radical Islamist group that's hated by the entire world, not just the superior Christians.. Either way, honestly, if the morals we have to look for in the future, represented by people such as yourself that would gladly look upon the death of a religion and the center of which it is peacefully practiced (a Church of a Mosque), I would much rather keep the morals of Christianity, Islam and Judaism, as they've kept extremist groups from prevailing in the Middle East, the Americas, Europe, etc.. Even if all religious morals were taken away, extremism would still exist, as it is people who are evil, not religions, there would always be a small amount of people would just find another idea to abuse and turn into their own evil, radical views, and without religious morals, if anything, this form of extremism would grow.[/quote]
Nah no religion and the world would be chaos of course. If we were all atheists we would still be going at it, tons of evil people everywhere no matter if they are religious or not. Serial killers for example. But religion is a HUGE catalyst for evil. The crusades and inquisition were bad, I wont argue there. But to keep arguing that point as a basis on Christianity being bad is like saying all white people are bad because 200 years ago some morons owned slaves. It is what happens TODAY that defines a people. And today Islam is evil.
Can you honestly say that any other religion has spawned so many extremist groups?
Show examples of how Islam has contributed ANYTHING (besides Algebra..thanks alot) to the world.
Why would Dubai forbid the hiring of any muslims to work there? Does the ruler realize that being muslim is not the best thing to be, especially when trying to attract a tourism industry (smart thinking for when oil goes tits up)
This whole topic is about why Islam should be destroyed, and I am seeing nothing to show otherwise. It is just the same old muslim rhetoric about Jews this, Palestine oh poor Palestine, we are peaceful..no really we are trust us!
Psycho21477
Habitual Offender
.......the fuckin palestinians can't even get along with each other....fuck 'em...each and every one....right in the ear.
Jurched
Ask&YoullBeSorry
Evil One, you were posted to Iraq for more than a few days. Give us rednecks (your's truly got sunburned the other day!) your impression of that country and its people.
After all, George W. told us its a great land with a glorious 5,000 year history that we've all got to respect and admire.
Personally, I thought it was a terrible dump with an ignominious 80 year history worthy of my snot and spittle. But what do I know? I'm just a lowly historian with a blistered neck.
Jurched
After all, George W. told us its a great land with a glorious 5,000 year history that we've all got to respect and admire.
Personally, I thought it was a terrible dump with an ignominious 80 year history worthy of my snot and spittle. But what do I know? I'm just a lowly historian with a blistered neck.
Jurched
When did I say I thought the moon land ing was staged? You abuse the word "conspiracy", Zionist media does have a lot of power on it's allies like the US... Murdoch, owner of Fox news, has long been a supported of Zionist Agenda..
Other than helping in depleting Iraq's main export making recovery near impossible considering their already large financial problems resulting from the Eight-Year War. They finally began restoring pipelines and re-establishing their economy until the Iraq War, when pretty much all their Oil Export Facilities, Refineries, etc, were either destroyed or claimed. Other than hugely escalating civil problems into a decared civil war, that did not arise, and if not for tension put on economy, infrastructure, etc, in Iraq by the US army, it wouldn't of developed to this extreme. The main reason the War in Iraq occured was because the US believed Iraq were a threat to themselves (The US), not because of civil problems in Iraq, etc. Of course, they eventually discovered there was no threat and all that the war resulted in was a complete disestablishment of the country, escalating civil problems further and further. There was no threat from Iraq of a possible attack, the Afghanistan war was just, but we should have stayed out of Iraq for the time being, since it wasn't until the US army came in, broke down all the system of laws, destroyed any economic worth in Iraq, etc, that problems picked up.
And do you understand the term oppression, because incase you didn't notice, it's very different from the word "terrorism". Oppression means to be targeted by the cruel exercise of power in a society or social group. Israel have already forced inferiority onto Palestine, making almost everything that occurs in Israel/Palestine, under their control. They made it illegal for Palestine to have a media news program, they constantly put huge delays on peace processes for near no reason at all, as to start some sort of minimal civil unrest due to continued oppression so that way the blame can be put on Palestine for stopping peace process after a decade of waitting as in the Oslo Accords for example. And also, any Palestinian terrorism is not the result of Arafat's decisions, etc, it's not the government going and killing Israelis. It's complete civil exhaustion of economic and human rights.. There's nothing that can be done to stop such civil unrest (and any nation in the same predicament (Sp?) would act similarly, or probably more extremely), until Israel begins to first, actually start a peace process they mean to go through with to return MINIMAL political power to Palestine and put an end to Israeli's totalitarianistic regime on Palestine. From social norms such as degrading Palestinians on a daily basis through insult, racism and assault, to the legality of firing openly upon crowds not posing a threat, as well as using mass-torture to get answers.. Many of which acts violate the International Human Rights created by the Geneva Convention.. Not just are Israeli casualties not even a fifth of Palestinian casulties, they're government promoted, while Palestinian casualties are just due to extreme civil unrest that logically, would develop from over half a century of near half a population of unemployment, homelessness and lack of justice to be enforced when Israeli leaders allow the deaths of thousands of Palestinians from needless murder occuring daily to mass murders of Palestinian civilians, such as Sabra and Shatila (of which, every one of the survivors claimed to have seen the Israeli army in or around the city with the Israeli-lead Lebanese army, along with oddly placed Israeli checkpoints at the main exits and crossroads of the city..). CIVIL rest cannot be ended, by Palestinian officials or anyone, until Israeli Government officials ends it's totalitarianistic regime on Palestine.
There's no possible way you've ever read the Qur'an. The historical stories of the Qur'an are fairly similar if not exactly those of the Old Testament.. The idea of God is accepted by billions of people, free will gives you the right to voice your opinion that you think God is the same as fairies and dragons, but no right can ensure the correctness of your statement.
[/quote]Anyways, lets say what you want happens.. All religions end.. Then what? Complete peace and no violence? Of course not, new groups would form and would fight, the reason all these problems occur is the PEOPLE.. It's not a religious reason.. And what makes Islam more evil? Never has there been as large scale a RELIGIOUS killing as the crusades or Inquisition in Islam. Al Queda is an outlawed radical Islamist group that's hated by the entire world, not just the superior Christians.. Either way, honestly, if the morals we have to look for in the future, represented by people such as yourself that would gladly look upon the death of a religion and the center of which it is peacefully practiced (a Church of a Mosque), I would much rather keep the morals of Christianity, Islam and Judaism, as they've kept extremist groups from prevailing in the Middle East, the Americas, Europe, etc.. Even if all religious morals were taken away, extremism would still exist, as it is people who are evil, not religions, there would always be a small amount of people would just find another idea to abuse and turn into their own evil, radical views, and without religious morals, if anything, this form of extremism would grow.[/quote]
Nah no religion and the world would be chaos of course. If we were all atheists we would still be going at it, tons of evil people everywhere no matter if they are religious or not. Serial killers for example. But religion is a HUGE catalyst for evil. The crusades and inquisition were bad, I wont argue there. But to keep arguing that point as a basis on Christianity being bad is like saying all white people are bad because 200 years ago some morons owned slaves. It is what happens TODAY that defines a people. And today Islam is evil.
Can you honestly say that any other religion has spawned so many extremist groups?
Show examples of how Islam has contributed ANYTHING (besides Algebra..thanks alot) to the world.
Why would Dubai forbid the hiring of any muslims to work there? Does the ruler realize that being muslim is not the best thing to be, especially when trying to attract a tourism industry (smart thinking for when oil goes tits up)
This whole topic is about why Islam should be destroyed, and I am seeing nothing to show otherwise. It is just the same old muslim rhetoric about Jews this, Palestine oh poor Palestine, we are peaceful..no really we are trust us![/QUOTE]
Exactly like you said, even if we were all atheists, there would still be fighting, if anything it would be worse as at least religion presents morals for normal, sane people to use. Which surprisingly for you, I'm sure, there are just as many percentage wise in the Middle East as there are in the US, Mexico, France, China, etc. If lets say Afghanistan had the largest media power, I'm sure they could make just a convincing arguement that it's indeed the US that was evil, they'll be able to do it fairly easily. They could make claims about how daily in just one city, like LA for example, there are almost 100 extremely violent attacks made (that doesn't mean fist fights of physical assaults.. It means gunshot or knife wounds) daily along 1-2 murders every day, in just one city of the USA (all according to fbi.gov sources).. Along with causing app. 200,000 casualties in Iraq, etc. By doing do, they would take attention of the Taliban/Al Queda, and put watchers awe and disgust of the crime going on in the US. The strength of media really determines the support of a population. There's crime, extremism, racism, etc, everywhere, just the spotlight changes every once in a while.. But the reason I use history as examples a lot is because history can't be skewed by media, etc, history is history as it happened, and for the past 1000 years, the majority of mass-murders occured in Christian nations of Europe, the Inquisition was no small occurance that I'm just bringing up again and again. It last over half a millenium and was COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED murder of countless Jews and pretty much all non-Catholics. It was the Muslim world.. Religious intolerance has never been prevelent in the Muslim world to anywhere near the extent it was in Catholic European countries, just lately, in the US it's been a prime target of media whorage. And the civil problems in Iraq are more a civil struggle than religious, and the crime rate was not a tenth, before, of what it is now. I'm not going to use the term terrorist group, because while all large populations' crime rates even out over time, but because the US is at war with much of the middle east, they've used media to apply the word "terrorism" to Muslim violence and only Muslim violence only, while violence is still as prevalent elsewhere for just as unjust reasons. And what do you mean old Muslim rhetoric? It wasn't until the 20th century that Muslims even had any problems with Jewish populations at all.. They sent military forces into Spain to aid in ending Inquisition just over 100 years ago. It wasn't until ZIONISTS (Keyword=Zionists, not Jews, as many Jews oppose Zionists as well) came into Palestine, made claims that Palestinians never even existed and that because they were there milleniums ago, it was rightfully their's.. They bulldozed towns and cities and anyone who remained in the buildings, they just pushed Palestinians off the land and made it legal to kill any who returned to the newly Israeli land. Other than the countless Palestinian civilians killed by the Israelis during the formation of Israel, many hundreds of thousands died from starvation, disease, etc, after being forced out of their homes, virtually killing their economy and depriving them of jobs a supply of food, etc... This invasion just continues and continues, more Palestinian land is being taken and there's no denying the horrible treatment of Palestinians compared to Israeli's, who live free, normal lives in their Israeli nation.
What's really a joke? The PNA. They have no power at all over Palestinian land, so how would the Palestinians' "ante up and play ball", without any form of government or leadership? They can't, and Israel doesn't want them, too either. Israeli officials like Rafael Eitan have stated, The Goal of Zionism is to turn Palestine (and parts of Jordan, etc) into an entirely Jewish State. This is related to the reason why the Oslo Accords peace peace process when on for a decade even though both sides had agreed on it for years, they were just waitting for civil unrest to occur like it would in any nation, and when it does, they revoke the peace process and blame Palestine.
How so? 45% of them are unemployed, millions are homeless and starving/disease-ridden due to Israeli expansion. Since when do they not get along with each other? They both want more land than the 1/60th the size of Florida they have now, much of which has to be completely rebuilt after their original homes were destroyed. It's not like Palestinians are just living like we do in America.. Israel has made life almost unbearable for them, and if, lets say your neighbor comes over to your house with a gun kills a few of your family members, demolishes your house, builds a new house over it, and then fences off a 10 foot by 10 foot pen in your background for you and whatever left of your family remains.. And shoots anyone who tries to climb the fence or throws whatever they can find (probably a stone or stick or whatevers on the ground) at the house.. Then the neighbor makes reports that you're assaulting his house with rocks/sticks, so you turn into a criminal and the neighbor looks like the victim.. You=Palestine, Neighbor=Israel..
Psycho21477
Habitual Offender
Why did the two groups develop anyways? Because of Israeli occupancy and because Israel denies Palestine the right to have an official government. As said previously, the goal of Zionism is to make Palestine an entirely Jewish state. By not allowing Palestine an official government or even continuing the complete militant occupation of the small remains of Palestine, it is inevitable that civil unrest would occur along with attacks between conflicting unofficial political groups, which just fuels Israel's invasion.. Any population of people under such occupation would respond the same way..
Psycho21477
Habitual Offender
...notice the bolded part of your post? So Israel denies the palestinians an official government, and the two parties in question (one Fatah, the other Hamas)...Hamas being the ELECTED party of the two, and so you call them unofficial political groups? ..you speak out of both sides of your mouth to confuse and deflect. Begone fly, begone....
Hamas was elected to the PNA, but like I said, the PNA is a joke. It was created by the Oslo Accords in the early 90s, it was given very limited power over small pieces of the already small Palestinian terrirtory. It was agreed at the time that the PNA woud within 5 years time, be given a more reasonable authority over Palestinian land.. 1998 came, nothing frm the Israeli government on the subject and despite attempts by both sides to get this started and so far since, nothing has happened yet, and if anything, Palestinian government/economy has become more restricted than ever, like for example, Israel targetting much of the PNA's infrastructure without any communication with the PNA, such as and closing and demolishing almost all sea/air ports in Palestine, just adding another nail in the coffin of Palestinian economy.. Along with the completely underminding the PNA by assassinating pretty much every political leader that the Israeli government doesn't approve of (Resulting in over 150 assassinations in the past 5 years, many of which end up killing multiple bystanders in the process..).
Like I said, the Palestinian government isn't an official government. Other than extremely limited powers that were never slightly increased as promised, if anything decreased, Israel continues to assassinate any Palestinian political figure they dislike, without consulting the PNA first.. Israel still has just as much control over Palestine than before (if not more). And suprisingly, adding "un" to the start of "official" gives an opposite meaning. So saying they're forced to used unofficial governments, which are really more like movements, considering the near non-existant power they have over Palestine compared to what Israel has over it, and saying they don't have an official government, are in the same vein..
Evil Dead
Hail to the King baby
Are you waiting for the arabs to form their own government? Because, I am pretty sure we have all seen how those go. The entire middle east wouldn't even have territorial bounderies if it wasnt for the British. A people destined to self destruction, just take yourselves, and leave the rest of the world alone.
You do know that..in reality.. There is NO difference between Palestinians and Jordanians right? Even back in the 70's the Palestine leaders admitted as much, saying to use the term Palestinian was only for political gain, and in essence there was no difference between them and Jordanians, Syrians, or Lebanese. But since they would scream Palestinian it let them lay claim to towns and land in Israel.
Evil Dead
Hail to the King baby
Iraq has an awesome history. These are the lands that invented beer, obviously their ONE redeeming quality (thank you Assyrians.) The place wasn't too bad, it had cool ziggurats which I are obviously looked upon with vileness since it always appears to be a muslims duty to be intolerant of anything that is not islamic.
First off, its hot as fuck. That goes without saying. Every country there is hotter than hell. (promised land my ass, more cursed than anything)
Secondly, flies are on EVERYTHING. I almost thought it was Somalia again. Sewage runs freely. And you know, it is due to the US invading no doubt. But of course, instead of letting the infrastructure get repaired everything has been thrown into chaos. It is mainly due to the lack of conviction that the populus has, or lack there off.
Where it could be an awesome country, and very wealthy..it most likely will be another douchebag land.
Like a majority of stupid Americans, most Iraqis are totally ignorant to their actual ancient history. In essence, they barely have an 80 year history. My travels have definitely shown ignorance is bliss and the norm in most turd world countries.
It really isn't worth anyones drool. But fear not, what keeps the middle east in the worlds economy won't last forever, and luckily it will falter before any western countries do. Then that entire world can crawl back to the damp and dark existence than westerners rescued them from years ago.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention the people. Most of them are honest people trying to survive in a rough world. Then again, I have never seen so much corruption and backstabbing in all my life. The religious sects drive the wedge between the people. Fellow police officers sell out their comrades in the flash of a dinar. It almost equates to you destroying a government building for a free bag of wonder bread.
Hell_Awaits
One more for the road
The British created those boundaries and thats why those boundaries about as useful as a three dollar bill.....the middle east is like the Europe in the first dozen centuries A.D.....Let them sort it out on their own... its not our business...
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