more proof Islam is evil and should be destroyed

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Are you waiting for the arabs to form their own government? Because, I am pretty sure we have all seen how those go. The entire middle east wouldn't even have territorial bounderies if it wasnt for the British. A people destined to self destruction, just take yourselves, and leave the rest of the world alone.

You do know that..in reality.. There is NO difference between Palestinians and Jordanians right? Even back in the 70's the Palestine leaders admitted as much, saying to use the term Palestinian was only for political gain, and in essence there was no difference between them and Jordanians, Syrians, or Lebanese. But since they would scream Palestinian it let them lay claim to towns and land in Israel.

Israel has made it illegal for Palestine to establish it's own government. I'm waitting for the US to finally stop veto-ing the countless peace proposals made by the UN for Palestine/Israel (being one of 5 countries in the UN that has the power to veto). It always comes down to the US, and it's always vetoed.. Relating to the fact that Israel (The most highly supported allies of the US) has no honest intentions of giving Palestine peace or an even remotely powerful government. The idea of Zionism in the eyes of Israeli officials is to just continue to take land from Palestine until it is an entirely Jewish State. I don't doubt once that is complete that Israel will continue into Jordan, etc, considering the fairly large amounts of land taken from them over the past 60 years.

The fueds between Hamas, Palestinian government, etc, were strongly fueled by Israeli government. As said by Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem:

Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)

The PLO was a strongly united government force in Palestine until Hamas received huge support from Israel, etc.. Look at Palestine's governing forces up until the 80s.. There were no civil problems until Israel began supporting a select few, at the time, small Muslim groups with conflicting ideas.. It's like I said, Israel has a huge power of Palestine, they have the ability to create and endorse conflicting groups in Palestine to create civil problems and put the blaim on Palestine for stopping the peace process.

And just because Jordan occupied Palestine for some time a while ago, does not mean they're the same country.. Have you heard of Black September? For a significant amount of time, Jordan attacked Palestine (but it's since been forgotten/forgiven and regretted by Jordan).. And what does this have to do with the arguement?

 

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Israel has made it illegal for Palestine to establish it's own government. I'm waitting for the US to finally stop veto-ing the countless peace proposals made by the UN for Palestine/Israel (being one of 5 countries in the UN that has the power to veto). It always comes down to the US, and it's always vetoed.. Relating to the fact that Israel (The most highly supported allies of the US) has no honest intentions of giving Palestine peace or an even remotely powerful government. The idea of Zionism in the eyes of Israeli officials is to just continue to take land from Palestine until it is an entirely Jewish State. I don't doubt once that is complete that Israel will continue into Jordan, etc, considering the fairly large amounts of land taken from them over the past 60 years.

The fueds between Hamas, Palestinian government, etc, were strongly fueled by Israeli government. As said by Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem:

Again, more X-files'esque conspiracy theories. I might as well listen to the Colorado professor who quoted the WTC victims as deserving of being murdered. Or, again in colorado, a group of high school teachers who say condoms aren't worth it because they are too hard to put on (obviously they dont use them alot) Half of college professors are fucking lunatics anyways, you will find that out when you get there.

The PLO was a strongly united government force in Palestine until Hamas received huge support from Israel, etc.. Look at Palestine's governing forces up until the 80s.. There were no civil problems until Israel began supporting a select few, at the time, small Muslim groups with conflicting ideas.. It's like I said, Israel has a huge power of Palestine, they have the ability to create and endorse conflicting groups in Palestine to create civil problems and put the blaim on Palestine for stopping the peace process.

And just because Jordan occupied Palestine for some time a while ago, does not mean they're the same country.. Have you heard of Black September? For a significant amount of time, Jordan attacked Palestine (but it's since been forgotten/forgiven and regretted by Jordan).. And what does this have to do with the arguement?

Jordan attacked Palestine..um..yeah they also did that massacre that you blame the Israelis for. I'm sure the jew zionists pressured the arab muslim jordanians into killing the poor poor helpless palestinians.

This has everything to do with the argument. The fact that when muslim hatred isn't directed toward jews or christians or, shit even the evil buddhists it seems nowadays, that they will immediately turn on themselves for some good ole religion fueled secretarian violence.

Like said above, I would prefer all western influence and meddling to end in the middle east. Let's see how far these limp wristed barbarians can go on their own fortitude.


I'm still waiting for an argument against Islam not being evil and maybe perhaps contributing something to society beyond suicide bombings and archaic religious practice.

 

[ShadowGallery]

Again, more X-files'esque conspiracy theories. I might as well listen to the Colorado professor who quoted the WTC victims as deserving of being murdered. Or, again in colorado, a group of high school teachers who say condoms aren't worth it because they are too hard to put on (obviously they dont use them alot) Half of college professors are fucking lunatics anyways, you will find that out when you get there.

Israel aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)

as said by Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. Not all of warfare is just military force, psychological, etc, tactics are used as well. Plenty of dozens of former CIA agents as well as former members of Mossad have made statements about said donations to Hamas in the late 1970s. There's no comparison between how difficult condoms are to put on and a proven large amount of funds that were transfered from Tel Aviv to members of Hamas in the 1980s/late 70s in an attempt to cause the PLO to lose it's power of unity of Palestine. First of all, in 1965, Ahmed Yassin, was jailed by Egyptian president for his extremist views, but very soon after, he was released from jail by Israel.. He went on to create Hamas. And this was just the start is Israel's push to create a more powerful anti-PLO Muslim group..

In the words of Martha Kessler, a senior analyst for the CIA:

we saw Israel cultivate Islam as a counterweight to Palestinian nationalism.

Once he returned to Palestine in the 70s, Yassin was allowed by Israeli forces to enter and use many public buildings in Palestine to help establish the organization. His army was licensed by Israel previously during the time from 1973-1978.

As said by Charles Freeman, former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia:

Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet, which had a feeling that they could use it to hem in the PLO.

As said by a senior CIA official speaking up to UPI, described Israel's support for Hamas as:

a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative.

And as quoted by a US government official in a UPI story that:

The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the other groups, if they gained control, would refuse to have anything to do with the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place.

Which can be found in the story: Israel's Hamas, George Szamuely, The New York Press Volume 15, Issue 17, April 2002

No point in going on.. Hamas was developed by Israel to stop the peace process in Palestine. It's the most extreme group in Palestine, and before it was established, the PLO were trying to discuss peace with Israel, all of which negotiations virtually ended with the creation of Hamas by Israel. It's no conspiracy, there's undeniable proof of this.. And just look at the UN currently.. Dozens of peace proposals have been made by the UN, but every ONE has been vetoed by the US, being one of five countries with the ability to veto.. Everytime it comes down to the US, and every time it is veto-ed.

Jordan attacked Palestine..um..yeah they also did that massacre that you blame the Israelis for. I'm sure the jew zionists pressured the arab muslim jordanians into killing the poor poor helpless palestinians.

This has everything to do with the argument. The fact that when muslim hatred isn't directed toward jews or christians or, shit even the evil buddhists it seems nowadays, that they will immediately turn on themselves for some good ole religion fueled secretarian violence.

Like said above, I would prefer all western influence and meddling to end in the middle east. Let's see how far these limp wristed barbarians can go on their own fortitude.


I'm still waiting for an argument against Islam not being evil and maybe perhaps contributing something to society beyond suicide bombings and archaic religious practice.

And your first paragraph didn't make sense.. I never said Israel forces Jordan to attack. What Jordan did to Palestinians was horrible, and entirely their own doing. Ammends have since been made. And btw, it was supposedly Lebanon who was responsible for Sabra and Shatila, not Jordan, but good try

This is a description of Sabra and Shatila. Two days before the incident, Israel invaded the cities and areas around Shatila, etc. They also put their Israeli trained militant leader, Elie Hobeika, at the head of the 150 allied Phalangist army who slaughtered the Palestinians. Every survivor of the massacre claimed to have seen Israeli forces within the city, or at newly setup checkpoints along the exits of the city at the time of massacre's occurance..

Anyways, I've already given proof that Hamas, the only reason of civil conflict in Palestine.. There have been attacks between nations, like Jordan and Palestine.. But saying it has nothing to do with religion.. Why don't we just say because America attacked Mexico, a largely Christian country, in order to claim Texas and many other lands, they were doing it because when they're not fighting the Muslims over in the Middle East, they're just killing Christians. That arguement really has no consistency, and you tend to just turn everything in the Middle East into religion-related, while it's largely a matter of war against a country who unjustly invaded Palestine.. They just went into the country, killed and bulldozed land and took it from them.. What reason did they have to do so? And there is no hate for Christians or Jews, the Qur'an is the only major monotheistic holy book that claims all people of the book (Christians, Jews and Muslims) will go to heaven. And using the Al Queda to represent all of Islam is like me using the KKK to represent all of Christianity. Both were created by complete mis-interpretations of religion and bigoted views of a minority of people. Both have been either exiled or severly looked down upon form their larger populations, both killed for extremely unjust reasons.. But Palestinian civilians aren't going and killing because they hate Jews, the only reason they attack Israel rarely, is because of the illegal and extremist occupation they're under from Israeli rule. It's not because they hate the Jews and see them all as pigs.. And there's no hate against Christians, or any religion as a whole for that matter.. Muslims just don't want the constant sexualization in Western media and daily life to come into the East. What is wrong with that? Who's to say the West is right to make everything in life about Sex and the East isn't.. Like you said, the west should just stay out of the Middle East. Iraq was fine until the US demolished the government, got rid of the laws and catapulted minimal civil problems, less than those in the US, into a civil war. Afghanistan was the only country that needed to be dealt with, but instead, the US sends troops to Iraq, plans to send troops to Iran because they threatened Israel (not the US), and are giving billions of dollars to Israel yearly.

http://www.tamilcanadian.com/page.php?cat=113&id=639

Much of supposedly anti-Buddhist terrorism is a result of corrupt government practices in Buddhist countries. And the small number of Buddhists killed in Asia were by Al Queda!

The East was fine for the past 1500 years, no problems with "terrorism" It wasn't until Israel illegally invaded Palestine that people started coming up with ideas like "Muslims hate Jews" to help gain support for Israel and make Muslims appear in the way you think they are.

And read the Qur'an and show me one evil text from it. There's you're proof it isn't evil. No religion is evil. And right now, the two biggest evils in the Middle East are Al Queda (9/11 and several extremist attacks), and the Israeli government (responsible for countless assassinations, Sabra and Shatila which resulted in more deaths than 9/11, illegal invasion, establishment of Palestinian civil problems, etc, etc)

 

[OldScratch]

as said by Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. Not all of warfare is just military force, psychological, etc, tactics are used as well. Plenty of dozens of former CIA agents as well as former members of Mossad have made statements about said donations to Hamas in the late 1970s. There's no comparison between how difficult condoms are to put on and a proven large amount of funds that were transfered from Tel Aviv to members of Hamas in the 1980s/late 70s in an attempt to cause the PLO to lose it's power of unity of Palestine. First of all, in 1965, Ahmed Yassin, was jailed by Egyptian president for his extremist views, but very soon after, he was released from jail by Israel.. He went on to create Hamas. And this was just the start is Israel's push to create a more powerful anti-PLO Muslim group..

In the words of Martha Kessler, a senior analyst for the CIA:



Once he returned to Palestine in the 70s, Yassin was allowed by Israeli forces to enter and use many public buildings in Palestine to help establish the organization. His army was licensed by Israel previously during the time from 1973-1978.

As said by Charles Freeman, former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia:



As said by a senior CIA official speaking up to UPI, described Israel's support for Hamas as:



And as quoted by a US government official in a UPI story that:



Which can be found in the story: Israel's Hamas, George Szamuely, The New York Press Volume 15, Issue 17, April 2002

No point in going on.. Hamas was developed by Israel to stop the peace process in Palestine. It's the most extreme group in Palestine, and before it was established, the PLO were trying to discuss peace with Israel, all of which negotiations virtually ended with the creation of Hamas by Israel. It's no conspiracy, there's undeniable proof of this.. And just look at the UN currently.. Dozens of peace proposals have been made by the UN, but every ONE has been vetoed by the US, being one of five countries with the ability to veto.. Everytime it comes down to the US, and every time it is veto-ed.



And your first paragraph didn't make sense.. I never said Israel forces Jordan to attack. What Jordan did to Palestinians was horrible, and entirely their own doing. Ammends have since been made. And btw, it was supposedly Lebanon who was responsible for Sabra and Shatila, not Jordan, but good try

This is a description of Sabra and Shatila. Two days before the incident, Israel invaded the cities and areas around Shatila, etc. They also put their Israeli trained militant leader, Elie Hobeika, at the head of the 150 allied Phalangist army who slaughtered the Palestinians. Every survivor of the massacre claimed to have seen Israeli forces within the city, or at newly setup checkpoints along the exits of the city at the time of massacre's occurance..

Anyways, I've already given proof that Hamas, the only reason of civil conflict in Palestine.. There have been attacks between nations, like Jordan and Palestine.. But saying it has nothing to do with religion.. Why don't we just say because America attacked Mexico, a largely Christian country, in order to claim Texas and many other lands, they were doing it because when they're not fighting the Muslims over in the Middle East, they're just killing Christians. That arguement really has no consistency, and you tend to just turn everything in the Middle East into religion-related, while it's largely a matter of war against a country who unjustly invaded Palestine.. They just went into the country, killed and bulldozed land and took it from them.. What reason did they have to do so? And there is no hate for Christians or Jews, the Qur'an is the only major monotheistic holy book that claims all people of the book (Christians, Jews and Muslims) will go to heaven. And using the Al Queda to represent all of Islam is like me using the KKK to represent all of Christianity. Both were created by complete mis-interpretations of religion and bigoted views of a minority of people. Both have been either exiled or severly looked down upon form their larger populations, both killed for extremely unjust reasons.. But Palestinian civilians aren't going and killing because they hate Jews, the only reason they attack Israel rarely, is because of the illegal and extremist occupation they're under from Israeli rule. It's not because they hate the Jews and see them all as pigs.. And there's no hate against Christians, or any religion as a whole for that matter.. Muslims just don't want the constant sexualization in Western media and daily life to come into the East. What is wrong with that? Who's to say the West is right to make everything in life about Sex and the East isn't.. Like you said, the west should just stay out of the Middle East. Iraq was fine until the US demolished the government, got rid of the laws and catapulted minimal civil problems, less than those in the US, into a civil war. Afghanistan was the only country that needed to be dealt with, but instead, the US sends troops to Iraq, plans to send troops to Iran because they threatened Israel (not the US), and are giving billions of dollars to Israel yearly.

http://www.tamilcanadian.com/page.php?cat=113&id=639

Much of supposedly anti-Buddhist terrorism is a result of corrupt government practices in Buddhist countries. And the small number of Buddhists killed in Asia were by Al Queda!

The East was fine for the past 1500 years, no problems with "terrorism" It wasn't until Israel illegally invaded Palestine that people started coming up with ideas like "Muslims hate Jews" to help gain support for Israel and make Muslims appear in the way you think they are.

And read the Qur'an and show me one evil text from it. There's you're proof it isn't evil. No religion is evil. And right now, the two biggest evils in the Middle East are Al Queda (9/11 and several extremist attacks), and the Israeli government (responsible for countless assassinations, Sabra and Shatila which resulted in more deaths than 9/11, illegal invasion, establishment of Palestinian civil problems, etc, etc)

As it happens I actually agree with much of what you have written, specifically as it pertains to Israel. However, I fear you are either terribly naive(in fairness - at 16 I was only interested music, girls and beer, so...all things in perspective) or just kidding yourself as to the attitudes of many in the Muslim world(not just the agrieved Palestinian). I do not believe that most Muslims are either would-be terrorists or sympathisizers thereof. However, I have heard, read and seen enough out of their own mouths or from their own pens to know you are painting far too happy a face on the motivations and attitudes of no small number or Muslims. Perhaps, this is indeed a notable minority - but it is not a number that can be written-off so casually either. Consider if you will, the multi-national mayhem stemming from the infamous Muhammad cartoons, the Pope-comment fomentaion, etc. This mania was not limited to a tiny handful of "extremists." I can understand that some in the Muslim world have a legitimate axe to grind with the west - but it becomes theater of the absured to see Muslims stand on a London street wailing about how wicked the west is, etc!

 

[ShadowGallery]

As it happens I actually agree with much of what you have written, specifically as it pertains to Israel. However, I fear you are either terribly naive(in fairness - at 16 I was only interested music, girls and beer, so...all things in perspective) or just kidding yourself as to the attitudes of many in the Muslim world(not just the agrieved Palestinian). I do not believe that most Muslims are either would-be terrorists or sympathisizers thereof. However, I have heard, read and seen enough out of their own mouths or from their own pens to know you are painting far too happy a face on the motivations and attitudes of no small number or Muslims. Perhaps, this is indeed a notable minority - but it is not a number that can be written-off so casually either. Consider if you will, the multi-national mayhem stemming from the infamous Muhammad cartoons, the Pope-comment fomentaion, etc. This mania was not limited to a tiny handful of "extremists." I can understand that some in the Muslim world have a legitimate axe to grind with the west - but it becomes theater of the absured to see Muslims stand on a London street wailing about how wicked the west is, etc!

I guess you're right, but to an extent. It realy depends on what "terrorism" you're speaking of. The general population is largely against 9/11 and Al Queda in general. But with such "terrorist" acts as the suicide bombings in Israel, the East remain more indifferent about. "Terrorism" isn't just grouped together and all thought of the same way, there are some minor forms of "terrorism", which in reality is just a civil uprisal against violent oppression.. The large majority of Muslims are against Al Queda and the Taliban, though (From which, almost all problems with radical intolerance in the Middle East rose from). About the Muhammad-Bomb comic, originally there was only some peaceful protest against the comic in Denmark, because it did break several Danish laws, but then they began reprinting it repeatidly for no other reason than to create more controversy. But there was still an over-reaction, not by the entire Muslim world, many of which just stopped buying the newspaper in order that produces the comic and in the words of Lebanese Prime Minister, Fouad Siniora:

We don't protect the prophet in this way. We don't protect Islam and national unity like this. This act is condemned by all the Lebanese from all religions and sects.

It was just a few of the more violent protestors who attacked a Danish Embassy (without injuring or killing any person).. And it was an overreaction towards saying that they no longer wanted to trade or benefit the conomy of the country in any way. It was an overreaction, but no big deal was made over the Pope's comment, a couple of Muslim Leaders asked for either an apology or explanation of the comment, but extra enforcement was put in place to protect against any possible violence in the East.. In total, only about 1 death caused by an Al-Queda related attack occured due to this, which was the killing of one Christian in Iraq, again, by an extremist group.

Although, media has used such things as the reaction to the cartoon and Pope's comments to create an almost demoniation of the entire Muslim population, while it was, in reality only a VERY SMALL few extremists who attacked the embassies, most others just stopped supporting Danish newspapers and others that reprinted the picture. Either way, this cartoon was one of countless over-dramitizations/racism that caused the complete vilification of Muslims. While every country has extremism, media has made Western population view religious Muslims as extremists for no reason.

 

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I guess you're right, but to an extent. It realy depends on what "terrorism" you're speaking of. The general population is largely against 9/11 and Al Queda in general.

Like the scores of muslims through out the muslim world who took to the streets in celebration after the 9/11 attacks.

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Either way, this cartoon was one of countless over-dramitizations/racism that caused the complete vilification of Muslims. While every country has extremism, media has made Western population view religious Muslims as extremists for no reason.

Yeah how racist. Iran's contest on holocaust joke cartoons was nothing in comparison to the ex jew mohammed cartoon. That was a pathetic event. I guess the world is just on a slander campaign against all muslims, since we know it really is a peace loving society. In reality, the jews and christians are putting all of these arabs up to killing themselves, women, chidlren, innocents. Muslim solidarity is strong like bull! Compassionate allah hah.

 

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Like the scores of muslims through out the muslim world who took to the streets in celebration after the 9/11 attacks.

Were you there?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175150,00.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/03/massive-muslim-protest-in-bahrain.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/11/massive-muslim-demonstration-against.html

Just to name a few hundreds of thousands who protested it. No one was dancing in the street unless they were related to Al Queda..

Yeah how racist. Iran's contest on holocaust joke cartoons was nothing in comparison to the ex jew mohammed cartoon. That was a pathetic event. I guess the world is just on a slander campaign against all muslims, since we know it really is a peace loving society. In reality, the jews and christians are putting all of these arabs up to killing themselves, women, chidlren, innocents. Muslim solidarity is strong like bull! Compassionate allah hah.

It is racist, you don't even see Muslims as people anymore.. The reason Muslims are seen so horrible is when you hear of a murder from them, it's a murder all over the news, and it's a tragedy, etc.. But with the US, this murder is so frequent it becomes a statistic (like 200,000 Iraqi civilians killed by US forces). And with Israel, you have to look deeply into the matter to even find said statistics (in actual studies).

And there's a huge difference between the two cartoons. When the holocaust cartoon came out, Israel shut-down the paper's website and no other paper re-printed the picture. While with the Muslim one, they put pictures of it all over major papers of every European country. It's already not allowed to show pictures of Muhammad, but then to call him a terrorist.. The difference is, nearly noone saw the holocaust pictures, but the anti-Islamic pictures were everywhere. And no, actually the US and Israeli (stop looking at it as religion.. If anyone, it's you who hates because of religion) troops openly fire on now lawless countries after demolishing government andturning them into hellholes. There were no threats coming from Iraq or civil problems before, it all started in 2003.. And the cartoon doesn't make sense considering it's Christians who still send missionaries to African countries, Muslims aren't going into America or Israel and forcing Islam on them, they just want their land that was illegally taken back, it's no matter of religion, they want the land that was illegally taken from them, back..

And why do you only respond to about a sentence of my post and ignore the rest of it?

 

[Jurched]

And why do you only respond to about a sentence of my post and ignore the rest of it?

Beeeecause you ramble on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Its too hard to read everything you write (or cut-n-paste from Hezbollah's english-language website).

What I do is to just read the first four words of each paragraph and decide if its worth exhausting my eyes and testing my patience.

Anyway, its the same old Same-Old with you. Denial of home-grown Algerian fanaticism (conveniently dodged), charges of racism, and endless vitriol against Israel.

Wake up, me lad.

Most people on this forum either loathe the Jews or don't give a rat's ass about Israel. You're getting carpal tunnel syndrome in your arms preaching to the wrong crowd.

But when it comes to militant Islam, seems like the consensus is to care even less about what devious and murderous tactics the Israelis use, just as long as they're bustin Moslem heads.

It may not be fair, but what the heck? Since when is life fair?

Jurched

 

[ShadowGallery]

Beeeecause you ramble on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Its too hard to read everything you write (or cut-n-paste from Hezbollah's english-language website).

What I do is to just read the first four words of each paragraph and decide if its worth exhausting my eyes and testing my patience.

Anyway, its the same old Same-Old with you. Denial of home-grown Algerian fanaticism (conveniently dodged), charges of racism, and endless vitriol against Israel.

Wake up, me lad.

Most people on this forum either loathe the Jews or don't give a rat's ass about Israel. You're getting carpal tunnel syndrome in your arms preaching to the wrong crowd.

But when it comes to militant Islam, seems like the consensus is to care even less about what devious and murderous tactics the Israelis use, just as long as they're bustin Moslem heads.

It may not be fair, but what the heck? Since when is life fair?

Jurched

That rambling is usually large amounts of quotes and proof I give towards my arguements, which is why even after that's done, you guys continue to call me a brainwashed child held captive by Muslim dogs.. Every significant statement I make, I back with plenty of proof.

And if you read any of my Israeli/Palestinian arguements, you'd notice that much of my proof is from ISRAELI professors, etc, not Hezbollah..

And actually, I gave several arguements against your Algerian Blood-soaked Weddings bullshit, which of course, you didn't read. And you're constantly saying all Muslims ar dogs, and then people like Evil Dead, when mosques are burned down in Netherlands, that it's an OK act as they're just fed up with Muslims, while, when Iraqi's attack army soldiers for the murder, rape, etc (all of which I have countless evidence to prove, just ask for either one), of over 200,000 Iraqi civilians, and maybe kill 2 or 3 US soldiers, then they're horrible terrorists, and it's the fault of Islam, a religion of evil that only promotes death, violence and intolerance..

And why would you hate the Jews? It's like so many metalheads hate religion for the sole reason of rebelling, which is just as much so being a rebel as Pink dying her hair a different color..

Life is unfair would more apply to an eight year old not getting the bike they wanted or coming into work/school late because of traffic... Not so much to the unjust death of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and the continued illegal invasion of their land. Something needs to be done, and I could understand that considering how exhausted people in Palestine are from the matter, they could turn it into a military affair, but this isn't just a matter of luck or unfairness, this is direct, brutal oppression of now virtually dead nation due to murder, economic/government de-establishment, race-fueled attacks/death of Palestinians, homelessness, disease/starvation, etc, all of which had not existed before Israel unjustly invaded Palestine. All problems in the middle east, stemmed from that one occurance.. But you're right, this is really pointless, no point arguing online on a music forum about this.. =S

 

[Evil Dead]

Were you there?

Yes. I watched a massive celebration in Pakistan, shortly before their trembling army started to shoot them, it was funny. That was less than a week after 9/11.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175150,00.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/03/massive-muslim-protest-in-bahrain.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/11/massive-muslim-demonstration-against.html

Just to name a few hundreds of thousands who protested it. No one was dancing in the street unless they were related to Al Queda..

Wow, Bahrain..land of hookers and boozing. Not really hard core muslims are they? Jordan might as well be the 51st state. The king drives a Harley, his brother was trained in our military to lead theirs. Jordan is a good place, been there done that.

It is racist, you don't even see Muslims as people anymore.. The reason Muslims are seen so horrible is when you hear of a murder from them, it's a murder all over the news, and it's a tragedy, etc.. But with the US, this murder is so frequent it becomes a statistic (like 200,000 Iraqi civilians killed by US forces). And with Israel, you have to look deeply into the matter to even find said statistics (in actual studies).

When did muslim become a race? I must have missed that one.

And there's a huge difference between the two cartoons. When the holocaust cartoon came out, Israel shut-down the paper's website and no other paper re-printed the picture. While with the Muslim one, they put pictures of it all over major papers of every European country. It's already not allowed to show pictures of Muhammad, but then to call him a terrorist.. The difference is, nearly noone saw the holocaust pictures, but the anti-Islamic pictures were everywhere. And no, actually the US and Israeli (stop looking at it as religion.. If anyone, it's you who hates because of religion) troops openly fire on now lawless countries after demolishing government andturning them into hellholes. There were no threats coming from Iraq or civil problems before, it all started in 2003.. And the cartoon doesn't make sense considering it's Christians who still send missionaries to African countries, Muslims aren't going into America or Israel and forcing Islam on them, they just want their land that was illegally taken back, it's no matter of religion, they want the land that was illegally taken from them, back..

So, since your religion forbids pictures of mohammed, somehow everyone else has to follow that rule? Where is the logic in that? Sure, maybe respect it but if someone doesnt want to (who does respect Islam?) whose right is it to take their lives? Or make an attempt on their life. People died protesting a cartoon, that is beyond laughable.

Land illegally taken back? How far do you want to take this arguement, because history shows Islam has no claim to the area of Israel, let alone the palestinians. Native Americans should be doing this, because they have more of a claim than the palestinians. In the end support for Palestine comes from jealousy and greed. It all boils down to that.

I've never said Iraq was a good idea. I was debating the issue as we built up for the war, which was way before 2003. It made no sense to me. I was enjoying the killing fields of Afghanistan. MAN people in that area really do not know how to shoot! Its so funny. Reminds me of a scene from Hot Shots : Part DEUX

And why do you only respond to about a sentence of my post and ignore the rest of it?

Chances are only a sentence is worth responding too, because most of what you say is the same argument over and over. I will only repeat myself for so long.

And still, you never answer my questions. If Islam is not evil provide proof. I want to see evidence not more Israeli conspiracy theories and Palestinian bleeding heart nonsense.

 

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Every significant statement I make, I back with plenty of proof.

And if you read any of my Israeli/Palestinian arguements, you'd notice that much of my proof is from ISRAELI professors, etc, not Hezbollah..

Take the internet information you get with a pillar of salt, especially about palestine.

 

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Oh, and the Iranian cartoon deal wasn't seen through out the world because the world for the most part could care less about Iran or some silly cartoon contest they ran in "response." That whacko in Iran has the mentality of a kid raised by monkeys in the jungle, totally laughable.

 

[ShadowGallery]

Yes. I watched a massive celebration in Pakistan, shortly before their trembling army started to shoot them, it was funny. That was less than a week after 9/11.

It must of been all the celebration that made Pakistan decide to end all ties with the Taliban.. soo.. Proof?

Wow, Bahrain..land of hookers and boozing. Not really hard core muslims are they? Jordan might as well be the 51st state. The king drives a Harley, his brother was trained in our military to lead theirs. Jordan is a good place, been there done that.

True about Bahrain.. But look at Morocco, another example where 150,000 came to protest against Al Qaeda/9-11. Along with thousands at the center of the Algerian Olympic Stadium, etc.. How many Americans were out on streets protesting against it?

When did muslim become a race? I must have missed that one.

Racism might not have been the exact word to describe it, but it's still in the same vein. Saying all Muslims are vile, violent, murdering creatures, and adding on shit like raping women and killing everyone they see in protest. The people who died in protest, died by accident, such as from touching an electric cable.. While only 3 embassy's were burned down as a result of that, which were burned down only to end trades with the country.. While in the Netherlands, dozens of Mosques and Muslim SCHOOLS were burned down in response to one extremist Muslim, but you don't hear about this of course..

So, since your religion forbids pictures of mohammed, somehow everyone else has to follow that rule? Where is the logic in that? Sure, maybe respect it but if someone doesnt want to (who does respect Islam?) whose right is it to take their lives? Or make an attempt on their life. People died protesting a cartoon, that is beyond laughable.

When it was just in a few papers in the Netherlands, there were no embassy burnings, etc.. It was re-printed by several other newspapers all around Europe to provoke problems. Then in response, a few hundred arabs burned down 3 embassies total. Almost all of the few deaths caused by protest were completely accidental and just reported because they happened in the same area.

Land illegally taken back? How far do you want to take this arguement, because history shows Islam has no claim to the area of Israel, let alone the palestinians. Native Americans should be doing this, because they have more of a claim than the palestinians. In the end support for Palestine comes from jealousy and greed. It all boils down to that.

Arabs do have claim the the land, that being that they controlled it for the past several thousand year. And Native Americans weren't settled with cities, government, infrastructure, etc, when the US settlers came. Palestinians were there, then invaded. Either way, Palestinians have a much larger claim to their land than Israel does to Palestine or Native Americans do to the Americas. Compare life in Israel to life in Palestine, life is terrible in Palestine, I don't support Palestine because I'm jealous or greedy, and jealous and greedy of what? I'm just supporting the country who was unjustly invaded because of a religious rite that Israelis were there thousands of years ago, and since have made millions of Palestinians homeless, killed hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of Palestinian civilians, demolished villages, created civil problems among Palestinians that were not present at the time and showed no signs of developing on their own, etc..

And still, you never answer my questions. If Islam is not evil provide proof. I want to see evidence not more Israeli conspiracy theories and Palestinian bleeding heart nonsense.

I've given you proof like half a dozen times and still you ignore it. I answer your question, but you only read the start of it, then just ignore what I say.

My answer, again, it the Qur'an. Where in it is there anything evil? It has good morals and is the only major monotheistic holy text that states all people of the book (Christians, Jews, Muslims) and people of good morals go to Heaven. Christianity, only Christians are allowed into heaven, etc..

 

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Take the internet information you get with a pillar of salt, especially about palestine.

I'm confused, are you saying it's false? Because all of it that I gave, I told you where in specific articles from the New York Times or historical books that you could find them.

 

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Jordan might as well be the 51st state. The king drives a Harley, his brother was trained in our military to lead theirs. Jordan is a good place, been there done that.

Hey, don't forget about Queen Noor! She was a hot American babe in the 60s, and still looks pretty good today! Yow!

So, since your religion forbids pictures of mohammed, somehow everyone else has to follow that rule? Where is the logic in that? Sure, maybe respect it but if someone doesnt want to (who does respect Islam?) whose right is it to take their lives? Or make an attempt on their life. People died protesting a cartoon, that is beyond laughable.

I know I was laughing! Actually, what's funny is how the internet spreads little clips of these stories to, say, the computer savvy groupies in Peshawar, who then orally pass on the stories to Pathan nomads in the wild Northwestern Frontier, and they have huge riots in which dozens are usually trampled to death or get accidently shot!

I mean, they're so lame, they've never seen electricity, much less a computer image of a Danish cartoon, BUT they gotta have a riot to show their outrage. I'd be like, "Get your asses back to the herd, muthafuckas!"

Remember a few years back, when they uncovered a plot by some Islamo-nut to blow up a medieval painting in Asissi, Italy, of the Prophet Mohammed burning in hell?

Ya know, Asissi is so far away that no moslems even knew the centuries-old painting existed until it was mentioned on the internet.

All of the sudden, some cursed Saracen whacko has got to try and blow it up! If that's not the apex of brainless idiocy, then what is? Its not a moslem country, or in a community of moslems, or ever visited by moslems.

No, the internet said Assisi had a naughty painting. Wooooo! Scary! Gotta blow it up.

Jurched

 

[ShadowGallery]

Hey, don't forget about Queen Noor! She was a hot American babe in the 60s, and still looks pretty good today! Yow!



I know I was laughing! Actually, what's funny is how the internet spreads little clips of these stories to, say, the computer savvy groupies in Peshawar, who then orally pass on the stories to Pathan nomads in the wild Northwestern Frontier, and they have huge riots in which dozens are usually trampled to death or get accidently shot!

I mean, they're so lame, they've never seen electricity, much less a computer image of a Danish cartoon, BUT they gotta have a riot to show their outrage. I'd be like, "Get your asses back to the herd, muthafuckas!"

Remember a few years back, when they uncovered a plot by some Islamo-nut to blow up a medieval painting in Asissi, Italy, of the Prophet Mohammed burning in hell?

Ya know, Asissi is so far away that no moslems even knew the centuries-old painting existed until it was mentioned on the internet.

All of the sudden, some cursed Saracen whacko has got to try and blow it up! If that's not the apex of brainless idiocy, then what is? Its not a moslem country, or in a community of moslems, or ever visited by moslems.

No, the internet said Assisi had a naughty painting. Wooooo! Scary! Gotta blow it up.

Jurched

Odd. I don't seem to remember that complete pile of bull shit. And adding "Muthafuckas" to the end of it made you cool

 

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Hey, don't forget about Queen Noor! She was a hot American babe in the 60s, and still looks pretty good today! Yow!



I know I was laughing! Actually, what's funny is how the internet spreads little clips of these stories to, say, the computer savvy groupies in Peshawar, who then orally pass on the stories to Pathan nomads in the wild Northwestern Frontier, and they have huge riots in which dozens are usually trampled to death or get accidently shot!

I mean, they're so lame, they've never seen electricity, much less a computer image of a Danish cartoon, BUT they gotta have a riot to show their outrage. I'd be like, "Get your asses back to the herd, muthafuckas!"

Remember a few years back, when they uncovered a plot by some Islamo-nut to blow up a medieval painting in Asissi, Italy, of the Prophet Mohammed burning in hell?

Ya know, Asissi is so far away that no moslems even knew the centuries-old painting existed until it was mentioned on the internet.

All of the sudden, some cursed Saracen whacko has got to try and blow it up! If that's not the apex of brainless idiocy, then what is? Its not a moslem country, or in a community of moslems, or ever visited by moslems.

No, the internet said Assisi had a naughty painting. Wooooo! Scary! Gotta blow it up.

Jurched

Yeah I remember that. Kinda reminds me of how the pop quotes an old Byzantine emperor and the muslim world MUST have an apology from the Pope, for quoting centuries old text. I always thought it was hilarious the guy wanted to blow it up. Why not just deface it? Spray it with some pigs blood, that would be appropriate. BUT NO, gotta blow shit up! Its like muslims are trying to catch up with modern technology after living in the darkages for the past 1000 or so years. So explosions, explosions, gotta have big fancy explosions!

 

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It must of been all the celebration that made Pakistan decide to end all ties with the Taliban.. soo.. Proof?

That is why the entire western side of Pakistan is full of Taliban. That is why they use the porous border to come and go into Afghanistan. When I was in Pakistan I was not only shooting afghani's but also Paki's. But according to Pakistan and the USA, we were never there so i must be lying!

True about Bahrain.. But look at Morocco, another example where 150,000 came to protest against Al Qaeda/9-11. Along with thousands at the center of the Algerian Olympic Stadium, etc.. How many Americans were out on streets protesting against it?

American unemployment is below 5% so..most people were probably working unlike other countries, like Palestine with an unemployment rate of 40%+, have plenty of time to organize a protest and march in the streets. Thats why they breed still. Suicide bombings, street protests, and miserable soccer peace team friendlies.

Racism might not have been the exact word to describe it, but it's still in the same vein. Saying all Muslims are vile, violent, murdering creatures, and adding on shit like raping women and killing everyone they see in protest. The people who died in protest, died by accident, such as from touching an electric cable.. While only 3 embassy's were burned down as a result of that, which were burned down only to end trades with the country.. While in the Netherlands, dozens of Mosques and Muslim SCHOOLS were burned down in response to one extremist Muslim, but you don't hear about this of course..

I never said all muslims are, but most. I have two muslim buds, one is still a hardcore muslim but doesnt associate with other muslims (i find that funny) and the other is what you might call an Apostate. Through his own reasoning (which reasoning doesnt mix with religion) he determined to take his own path free of blind faith. I just watched an awesome video on national geographic showing public executions of women in Afghanistan. Good times! And you still are in the dark about the cartoon protests. People got trampled to death. its not an accident, its because of the whackjobs protesting. Just like at a soccer game where people get trampled, its cuz of a bunch of fucking nuts.

When it was just in a few papers in the Netherlands, there were no embassy burnings, etc.. It was re-printed by several other newspapers all around Europe to provoke problems. Then in response, a few hundred arabs burned down 3 embassies total. Almost all of the few deaths caused by protest were completely accidental and just reported because they happened in the same area.

If by provoke you mean share information then ok. What is it with muslims and fire? Has the culture been living in the dark for so long that its like a caveman infatuation? Burning embassies, effigies, bombs, burning bodies. Fire fire fire:Smokin:

Arabs do have claim the the land, that being that they controlled it for the past several thousand year. And Native Americans weren't settled with cities, government, infrastructure, etc, when the US settlers came. Palestinians were there, then invaded. Either way, Palestinians have a much larger claim to their land than Israel does to Palestine or Native Americans do to the Americas. Compare life in Israel to life in Palestine, life is terrible in Palestine, I don't support Palestine because I'm jealous or greedy, and jealous and greedy of what? I'm just supporting the country who was unjustly invaded because of a religious rite that Israelis were there thousands of years ago, and since have made millions of Palestinians homeless, killed hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of Palestinian civilians, demolished villages, created civil problems among Palestinians that were not present at the time and showed no signs of developing on their own, etc..

Wow. You actually believe that the palestinians had "cities" and "infrastructure." LOL. Have you been there? Everything is ancient. Anything they had when Israel moved in was no better than what indians had here in America over 200 years ago (i.e. mud huts.) And more so, all of the old stuff wasnt even built by muslims say a mosque or two. Palestinians are just deadbeat Jordanians. Ask a Jordanian. ANd look what palestine did with their land. What have they done with it since? And dont give me that line of shit about Israeli oppression. If anyone can't live in peace it is the Palestinians. Does Israel just fire off random rockets into Palestinian towns? Of course not. Do they hit apartment buildings with civilians, well hell yeah. But guess what, you shoot a rocket from a hospital..the hospital will get hit. If the people had more balls (and most are limp wristed cowards) they would stand up for themselves and solve the problem peacefully.

Actually, your statement is pretty racist. To think that because Indians didnt have cities built out of stone (they did in the south west) and no government that they somehow have less of a right to the land than a group of nomads who wandered into an area after flushing out the christians and jews? Well in that case, lets go into Africa and round up all those people who live in huts and get rid of them, since they must not really count. Oh wait, muslims are doing that in Darfur. Nevermind. Where else can we go?

Too bad the Indians will never be able to claim anything again. As I always said, "should have fought harder pussies." Ive been on reservations, and I don't understand why they don't demand more. I mean no taxes is cool and all, and casinos. Well shit, Id be happy! CAsino revenue, no taxes..mmm. Time to trace the last of the mohican in me.

I've given you proof like half a dozen times and still you ignore it. I answer your question, but you only read the start of it, then just ignore what I say.

My answer, again, it the Qur'an. Where in it is there anything evil? It has good morals and is the only major monotheistic holy text that states all people of the book (Christians, Jews, Muslims) and people of good morals go to Heaven. Christianity, only Christians are allowed into heaven, etc..

That isnt an answer! Here, Ill give you an answer. Kuwait sent aid packages to Iraq. Saudi Arabia has funded UNICEF operations and other charities, besides the terrorism stuff too. But in the grand scheme of things, there is nothing Islam has provided for this world besides violence. You can sit in American, do a 360, then say "thanks Jesus" since this entire country was the result of some whacky ass christians moving in. Actually, you can do that for Allah and Mohammad too. Next time you are in a fly infested desert with temps tipping the scales at 150, do a 360 and stare into the bleak nothingness, and Allah Akbar till your heart is content, or you see the 72 virgins. All religion has some form of inherent evil associated with it that everyone can agree on. The fact of the matter is that Islam takes the prize. I'm sure Mohammed and Hitler sit at either side of Satan if he exists.

 

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The British created those boundaries and thats why those boundaries about as useful as a three dollar bill.....the middle east is like the Europe in the first dozen centuries A.D.....Let them sort it out on their own... its not our business...

I agree with this more and more, it isnt our business. We seriously should let ALL countries handle their own affairs. But unfortunately the rest of the world always makes it America's business. I remember seeing the aid we give to countries, either military or regular aid, and it was retarded. We should go back to our Isolationist ways and give a big FU to most of the world. We will still remain on top.

 

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I just thought of two things the Islamic world has given us that is actually good!

Falafel and Kabobs!

Sure wasn't oil prices. Ever heard the story of how pepsi and oil pricing increase parallel? (this is old school, 60 years old school I think)