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[Metaltastic]

its just super fat low end and is very organic sounding. you can tell there was alot of compression used on the 2 bus, and it just pumps and breathes in a super musical way I`m actually listening to it right now lol I just learned bullet ride after owning the cd for years hahaha

Word, well said dude, the compression never really occurred to me, but it totally makes sense!

 

[Metaltastic]

Clayman doesn't stand out for a single element but for the combination of extremes and many, many factors such as the aformentioned punchy low end, the pumping 2bus, the organic musicality, the dual-mic technique for guitars... it is far from perfect (OHs too grating, leads and vox get lost at times and so on...) but the way it is, it is unique and in a way NO OTHER ALBUM comes close. For me, this album is magical in terms of production, I dare to say not even Fredman could recreate that sound himself. It seems to be a one-hit-wonder. I reckon you might dislike the endresult though I find the thought quite hilarious...

This is the troof as well!

 

[gyr_saturated]

Not necessarily the same amount of both, but comparable IMO:

- Machine Head's "Burn My Eyes" and "The More Things Change"

- Fear Factory's "Demanufacture" and "Obsolete"

- Sepultura's "Chaos A.D."

- Slipknot "Slipknot" (yeah, very much debatable)

- Pantera's "Far Beyond Driven" (maybe adding Vulgar and Trendkill, too)

to name a few...

Edit: Testament's "Low", "Demonic" and "The Gathering", too.

Ow, I'd point to At The Gates' "Slaughter of The Soul" as having even a bigger amount of both aggression and clarity. Nordstrom's finest work, of the well known ones, as far as I'm concerned

(and I remember I read somewhere that he considers it his best work too)

 

[Metaltastic]

I didn't even realize Nordstrom did StS

And slightly off-topic, for those of you guys who don't like In Flames musically...have you heard "The Jester Race" and "Whoracle"? To me, THOSE are the musical masterpieces (but I adore Colony and Clayman, don't get me wrong)

 

[Chryst Krispies]

TJR is their best musically speaking.

Absolutely awesome.

 

[SocialNumb]

I blame the christians.

Listening to Janis Joplin.

 

[slashvanyoung]

Ow, I'd point to At The Gates' "Slaughter of The Soul" as having even a bigger amount of both aggression and clarity. Nordstrom's finest work, of the well known ones, as far as I'm concerned

(and I remember I read somewhere that he considers it his best work too)

Dude, I was literally fighting with myself about including/not including "Slaughter"...

 

[slashvanyoung]

Yeah, everything up to "Clayman" had at least some interesting moments... but everything that followed = absolute redundant and boring pop-metal garbage IMHO.

 

[Metaltastic]

Nah, Reroute was really cool in a pseudo-electro/industrial way IMO, Soundtrack was pretty much balls except for "My Sweet Shadow", "Come Clarity" had a few decent tracks (though I think they'd be better if they weren't by In Flames, if ya know what I mean), and I didn't even bother with the newest

 

[Chryst Krispies]

I dig all their albums except for the last one, which I never really checked out.

Evolution is cool, I just prefer the older shit.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

Not necessarily the same amount of both, but comparable IMO:

- Machine Head's "Burn My Eyes" and "The More Things Change"

- Fear Factory's "Demanufacture" and "Obsolete"

- Sepultura's "Chaos A.D."

- Slipknot "Slipknot" (yeah, very much debatable)

- Pantera's "Far Beyond Driven" (maybe adding Vulgar and Trendkill, too)

to name a few...

Edit: Testament's "Low", "Demonic" and "The Gathering", too.

My point exactly!! Those records are legendary as well!! In the same vein (vain??) as Clayman!!!

 

[MetalJonesy]

i absolutely love reroute, remember buying it the day it came out and the tracks and production was great, gtrs are a bit fizzy and the snare is an aquired taste, but reroute and colony and come clarity are my fav inflames records

 

[Gomez]

Not necessarily the same amount of both, but comparable IMO:

- Machine Head's "Burn My Eyes" and "The More Things Change"

- Fear Factory's "Demanufacture" and "Obsolete"

- Sepultura's "Chaos A.D."

- Slipknot "Slipknot" (yeah, very much debatable)

- Pantera's "Far Beyond Driven" (maybe adding Vulgar and Trendkill, too)

to name a few...

Edit: Testament's "Low", "Demonic" and "The Gathering", too.

I think an important record here is Carcass - Heartwork. That's just one SERIOUS guitar sound from 1993.

 

[Metaltastic]

I'm honestly not that keen on Heartwork's tone, but for it's time, holy fuck, nothing came close (and I'm sorry, "Demanufacture" has some of the worst tones I've ever heard, I hate scoopage )

 

[abyssofdreams]

I hate scoopage

Marcus, people scoop guitars not because of tone but so they sit in the mix better,
make it wider and create some space in the middle for ambience and such

I don't like very scooped tones myself but I think this is really the hardest part...
getting those mids just above "too much scooped" level and not muddying the mix.

 

[slashvanyoung]

I think an important record here is Carcass - Heartwork. That's just one SERIOUS guitar sound from 1993.

Yeah, thought about that too, for sure. But I didn't include it there initially because I thought the drums are rather poor... (Listened to it again, they're not that bad actually).

I'm honestly not that keen on Heartwork's tone, but for it's time, holy fuck, nothing came close (and I'm sorry, "Demanufacture" has some of the worst tones I've ever heard, I hate scoopage )

Generally speaking, I agree. But those tones work on "Demanufacture" very well IMO. Just damn brutal and rather cold JCM 800 goodness.

But on the other hand, take the "Black Album": Everybody gets a boner about its sound, but I think the rhythm guitar sounds are plain boring and I don't really like the character of that super-punchy snare.

 

[AdamWathan]

Dude the guitar sound on Demanufacture is retardedly awesome! Man I can't believe anyone would bash that tone...

 

[NNotN-ENN]

More OT stuff but I think Necroticism is a little less muddy than Heartwork but otherwise very similar; though I have never actively sat down and compared them as mixes.

 

[Rex Rocker]

It's a good mix, but definitely not my favorite.

 

[midget donkeys]

I didn't even realize Nordstrom did StS

And slightly off-topic, for those of you guys who don't like In Flames musically...have you heard "The Jester Race" and "Whoracle"? To me, THOSE are the musical masterpieces (but I adore Colony and Clayman, don't get me wrong)

I agree. Jester Race = gaint boobs. Actually I can listen to all four of those albums all the way the through back to back and love it. And I normally can't stand more than 15 minutes of death metal.