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Thanks for the support guys! I knew you all would understand :D And thanks also for the props on the clip, that's the tone from my upcoming EP, and the culmination of all my tweaking and obsessing with this amp!
 
what grates my nerves is he keeps implying is that a tube screamer is a clean boost! even with drive on zero it still adds distortion to the signal, so how does this qualify as clean?

Thanks for the support guys! I knew you all would understand :D And thanks also for the props on the clip, that's the tone from my upcoming EP, and the culmination of all my tweaking and obsessing with this amp!

sounds like it fucking paid off! amazing tone.
 
what grates my nerves is he keeps implying is that a tube screamer is a clean boost! even with drive on zero it still adds distortion to the signal, so how does this qualify as clean?

Dude, that's not even the worst of it, THIS is what really got me:

jdurso said:
Turning up your gain knob and slamming the preamp with a hotter signal is two totally different monsters. The hotter signal provided by the boost from either a clean boost or OD setup as a clean boost will cause your preamp to compress more into its natural clipping point... at that point the signal gets very smooth and tight. The most importnat point is your not adjust any eq in your tone... simply using the natural tightening effect of a preamp compressed to the point of clipping.

Now with a TS which has a natural mid-hump and some cut in the lows, your adjusting the eq curve while also causing compression... so its the same as a clean boost but with the eq curve altered. But dont think for one second its just the filtering causing the tightness... its the compression that tightens your preamp, and the mid-hump will help things pop a little more and in turn will tighten even more.

And if you think maintaining the original signal just hotter (as you would with a clean boost) with a Recto is mud city then you need to work on dialing your amp in appropriately with the boost.

Oh ok, I guess it's fact then, how foolish of me! Even though I stated multiple times that I dial in the level on my TS for unity gain between having it on and off :rolleyes:
 
the hotter signal fed into the preamp will create more compression which is what tightens the signal.

the midhump in the TS that further tightnes by reducing some of the bass.


Statements like that gave me the impression that you and he don't even mean the same thing by "tightness", forget differing "philosophies" of how to achieve it. His definition of "tight" seems comparable with "smooth". I mean, right after he tells you that clean boosts compress the signal he tells the OP that they "add dynamics", ferfuckssake.


For what it's worth, I sometimes use an overdrive pedal with the drive all the way down and the level below unity specifically for tightening purposes with the amp's internal gain set fairly high. On other amps (Recto) I've been messing with dropping the gain and treble fairly low [say, did you get my PM?] and making it up with gain and EQ boosts from the pedal, to cut down on teh fizzez.

And neither here nor there, but check out these clips:






That's a Roadster "tightened" with a clean boost, albeit one with a sweepable frequency knob. I can't make out how his is set, but I reckon he's using it to give a teensy amount of boost in the upper mids -- sort of simulating a TS mid-hump but without the low end roll-off. I have the same pedal at home and so far have had no luck dialing in a remotely acceptable tone using it with a Recto (compression + rhythm guitar :Puke:) but it does okay with a scratchy 5150.
 
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I'm thinking that guy defines "tightness" by virtue of saturation and pick response rather than outright EQ. Slamming a single 12ax7 gain stage isn't going to massively change the EQ curve of the signal that it is being fed to it.
 
I'm thinking that guy defines "tightness" by virtue of saturation and pick response rather than outright EQ. Slamming a single 12ax7 gain stage isn't going to massively change the EQ curve of the signal that it is being fed to it.

Yeah, but I explained multiple times that by tightness I meant tightening excess flubby lows, and he still insists "slamming the input tube" does that. And iekobrid, yeah dude, I got your PM, sorry for not responding, but unfortunately my Dual Rec has been packed up and ready to ship since I re-amped the tracks for my EP! :(
 

I'm a guitarist :lol:.


But what I find is that you get 2 kinds of stupidity vs. just one with drummers:

Drummers: usually just technique being poor, this translates to having the kit setup poorly. This also leads to poor timing etc... but it's all linked to technique.

Guitarists: Technique AND they are fucking morons when it comes to the gear they use. :Puke:
 
Yeah, but I explained multiple times that by tightness I meant tightening excess flubby lows, and he still insists "slamming the input tube" does that. And iekobrid, yeah dude, I got your PM, sorry for not responding, but unfortunately my Dual Rec has been packed up and ready to ship since I re-amped the tracks for my EP! :(

Yeah, I saw that. The only thing better than being ignorant is being stubborn about it. I'm not the ultimate tube amp guru (tm), but have done enough tinkering around so I'm slightly less ignorant than most. I've found that once somebody's mind is made up as to what will make their tone better, it's almost impossible to change it.

It kind of reminds me of those boxes that you see for sale on Ebay that basically consist of a pot and two 1/4" jacks. The seller says to put it in the effects loop so you can crank your master volume and it will help you get that "cranked amp tone" at lower volumes. Crock of shit--it just puts another pot before your master volume pot, so you can turn the one down and turn the other up to absolutely no effect, but the guy makes $20 each and people buy them gloating about the huge difference it made on their tone.