But ya gotta get back up on that horse buddy... make some more threads.
My parents are being assholes?
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But ya gotta get back up on that horse buddy... make some more threads.
Bryant
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I completely disagree. As you can tell by my join date and amount of posts, I have been around the block on UM a few times. I rarely drive down GMD street though, simply because of threads like this. As metal-heads, I figure we have enough people looking down at us and picking at us. Why would I go to a forum where things like that are the norm ? Maybe I am just too old.......
Bryant
Mort Divine
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Master_Yoda77
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piss off bryant, we don't like friendly old cunts around here. only people who live with their parents and listen to graveland and read existentialist philosophy are allowed.
Bryant
Mr. Sleepy
Ha ha ha, I have been here enough to know there are quality posters here.
Ha ha ha. Would I be more welcome if I started a thread about death metal vs. elitist modern country fans ?
Bryant
crimsonfloyd
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The book industry wasn't a cartel. It's not like independent bookstores were colluding with Barnes and Nobles and it's not like independent publishers were in collusion with major publishing houses. Heck, do you even have evidence that major publishing houses were colluding?
Tons of people work 10+ hour shifts where they are required to lift heavy objects without being allowed to even catch their breath? That actually might be true, but only because employee exploitation is rampant in this nation (and even worse in many others). There are a lot of oppressive employers. Doing demanding physical labor for 10+ hours with your job constantly on the line if you're not moving fast enough is inhumane and unsustainable. The inevitable consequence the breakdown of that employee's body. That is the price of your Amazon discount. Perhaps you don't care about those employees bodies. Cool. Just be honest about it and don't pretend like what's obvious to anybody using common sense--namely exploitation--isn't happening.
Yeah because corporations never put profit before employee safety :Smug:
And obviously this was a case of fuck those guys. If they put the ambulances outside the building it's because they KNEW employees were gonna pass out and the cost of the ambulances was less than the cost of the AC system. If you can give a simpler explanation I'm all ears. But it's gonna be difficult to explain how those in charge were oblivious to the fact that working nonstop for 10 hours straight in 100+ degree weather wasn't a safety hazard. That's common fucking sense.
Dak
mentat
To get published, and then subsequently sales you need significant distribution, and preferably advertisement or premium placement. You need a major publisher for that. There are only a handful of major publishers with the deals to get books in stores. Self publishing and getting it on the rack at your local non-chain bookstore is a pretty hollow achievement in a world perspective. Amazon allows people world market access without needing to go through Hachette, Random House, etc.
Most don't put profits before safety. In fact, we are reaching a point where "safety" has possibly gone to far everywhere that OSHA and insurance shows up.
I cannot actually find the reference for the story you're talking about either by the way. I found some situations where AC was lacking due to an unprecedented heat wave in the NE, but that's different.
crimsonfloyd
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Again, that's not a monopoly unless you can prove collusion on a significant scale. The burden of proof is on you.
And you're underestimating the power of indie publishing houses to reach niche audiences. In the same way that indie record labels existed before the internet, so did indie publishing houses. Both were clearly buoyed by the internet, but to suggest that they were irrelevant is inaccurate.
We have sufficient labor violations in this country from the meatpacking industry to the farming industry to mega-warehouses like Amazon. It's far from a few overly sensitive types making a fuss about nothing. I guarantee these are conditions you would never want to see your own loved ones working in.
It's an excellent piece of investigative journalism:
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/amazon/mc-allentown-amazon-complaints-20110917,0,6503103.story
Master_Yoda77
Juggalo
And jerk off to sword and sorcery porn while blasting the Sisters of Mercy.
Dak
mentat
Good look quitting your day job serving a niche book audience. I'm not even talking about price fixing, which is, I think, the narrow aspect you are looking at, and cartelization can be de facto.
I wouldn't want to work that sort of job even if it was a comfortable 70 degrees. Does anyone want to be a plumber? Lets start mandating that everyone has exposed pipes and air conditioned, clean, bug free, and brightly lit crawl spaces. I'm not saying there aren't cases of employee abuse anywhere, even at Amazon. What I am saying is that in a lot of cases, supposed employee abuse isn't so much so, at least not what the fuss is about. Further, citing production ratios increasing, without something to tie it to, doesn't mean anything. Data is worthless all by itself.
Not very investigative imo. Like I said, why wasn't there an AC here? I can't imagine Amazon never installs ACs/fans/etc anywhere. So what happened here? Well, if we take a look at 2011, you will find out
Citydata tells us that the average historical high (not average historical average temp) for mid-May in Allentown is 70 degrees. Yet one of the former employees alludes to the Heat Index reaching 110+ in May. This was an historical anomaly. If this was in Phoenix or Atlanta or something I could understand the outrage. Demanding an AC system to cover for 3-4 months out of the last 75 years is rather ridiculous.
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tl: dr
if you disagree with what your elders say then you have to go out into the wild and kill some bears with your bear hands and eat them raw. Otherwise you're a faggot and need to have a sex change and get fucked by gruzzly men. Hur durrr. Vote republican and be a real man. Beer doesn't decrease your testosterone, that's just a lie fabricated by the jewish liberal media.
if you disagree with what your elders say then you have to go out into the wild and kill some bears with your bear hands and eat them raw. Otherwise you're a faggot and need to have a sex change and get fucked by gruzzly men. Hur durrr. Vote republican and be a real man. Beer doesn't decrease your testosterone, that's just a lie fabricated by the jewish liberal media.
crimsonfloyd
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Straw man.Still haven't come close to proving it's a monopoly. Give some evidence or shut your mouth.
Ah, now the slippery slope. If we're not gonna allow people to work in 110 degree weather, then obviously we can't have them work around buggies!
What are you talking about? It was tied to plenty, namely employees suffering physical injuries and licensed doctors suggesting it was an unsafe work environment. But why let facts get in the way of a pre-established opinion?
Sorry but this is just fucking stupid. Do they close the warehouse in July and August? If it didn't happen in May it would have happened in the summer. The employers should at the very least have the building prepared for 90 degree weather. Use your brain and try and be at least slightly objective before jumping to blindly defend Amazon. Otherwise just stop throwing out these atrocious arguments.
Satanstoenail
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Also, you shouldn't turn statements into questions? This seems to be a trend among the younger folk? It's really annoying?
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