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Derek, he said that because he was called PC whiney, so in order top prove he is not: he said all those things about Belgium and Canada.... it's clear as day to me, althought I do not share the same thoughts as he does about those places.
Sometimes to understand someone, I try to put myself in their shoes...
's all...
 
derek said:
Plus, can you read this latest page and really tell me I am wrong?
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No, but my reasons for being disgusted differ. I personally don't consider anyone who's posting to be genuinely ignorant.

The common denominator for every chunk of bullshit that's tipped the scale of neutrality in this thread is everyone's so fucking EMO. Someone coughs something up that misrepresents them in some ridiculous trivial way and they feel the need to chew into the environment and setting.

"boo-hoo I'm special and different and not like this guy is saying!"

gtfo.

(also, I'm not going to get into the history behind "my pals". Suffice to say, any black person that takes offense to the word should rightfully be labelled a my pals, because they're maintaining that they are a black slave to a dead idea.)
 
I will only add this: the significance of words does not exist in idosynchratic or idiolectic vacuums. Putting the whole weight of value upon the person perceiving the word is flawed as words always contain the weight of cultural significance. Words are reference points for events, emotional context, history. Anyone claiming they use the word "my pals/fag/wetback/etc." without it meaning anything negative or the associated meanings is full of shit. You know exactly how it is being referenced, and you entirely conscious of what effects it can have for those who have ultimately had those words used antagonistically against them.

Yes, it would be best if people could break down the weight of ages clinging to our shared means of communication, reinvent them to take away all shit that's piled high over millenia of humans fucking each other in the ass... but it doesn't happen over night. And no one has any more right to complain about people being "overly-sensitive" than those who would stifle free expression in attempt to gloss over the harsh reality.
 
The etymology of my pals is simple and fairly harmless. Most of the black populace aren't able to value the significance history has brought to the word.

It nevertheless hearkens back to a person being a little bitch and whining that they are being misrepresented.
 
The only way a word as powerful as this can be destroyed is by rendering it meaningless. People calling each other 'nigga' in a general sense to mean 'fellow' is certainly first step toward devaluation. But one has to ask, whether devaluation means anything at all, because 'my pals' is only one of many words used pejoratively in its manner. You can stop saying 'my pals', but there will always be a word for 'ignorant, dirty, worthless <color> person.' I remember reading an essay by Asimov in which he compares the use of the word 'Moabite' in the Bible to the very word in question.
 
The etymology is simple and harmless, but the context is not. Words are not judged by what they were arbitrarily and objectively determined to mean various historical points, but by their active usage the representional meaning of that usage.

I'm fully aware that nothing I say is going to have even a mild impact on autistic tango that is this thread. I just wanted to point out the flaw and imbalance in the whole thing. Freedom of expression does not mean we get to say what we want and no one can get offended. It means we can say what we want, likely be perceived as assholes, but people have to live with it. Just as we have to live with them being offended and voicing that as well.
 
Necromunchkin said:
The etymology is simple and harmless, but the context is not. Words are not judged by what they were arbitrarily and objectively determined to mean various historical points, but by their active usage the representional meaning of that usage.

I'm fully aware that nothing I say is going to have even a mild impact on autistic tango that is this thread. I just wanted to point out the flaw and imbalance in the whole thing. Freedom of expression does not mean we get to say what we want and no one can get offended. It means we can say what we want, likely be perceived as assholes, but people have to live with it. Just as we have to live with them being offended and voicing that as well.
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Did I mention that I love you? I think I've said it before, but it's never been more true than today.
 
Nobody uses the word 'decimate', for example, in its original sense except pedantic college professors.

edit: if you're not prepared to live with your words, then don't bother saying those words. Assholes are an unfortunate consequence of free expression.
 
Malergion said:
The only way a word as powerful as this can be destroyed is by rendering it meaningless. People calling each other 'nigga' in a general sense to mean 'fellow' is certainly first step toward devaluation. But one has to ask, whether devaluation means anything at all, because 'my pals' is only one of many words used pejoratively in its manner. You can stop saying 'my pals', but there will always be a word for 'ignorant, dirty, worthless <color> person.' I remember reading an essay by Asimov in which he compares the use of the word 'Moabite' in the Bible to the very word in question.
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Valid point. But then we're addressing the natural tendency for a culture to dehumanize outsiders, an implicit tendency amongst humans. Words are the conveyance, sure, so they change as the cultures evolve, change, diminish, even disappear. Devaluing a word won't necessarily change the intent of its use. Again, it seems on both sides that word is just a sort of point of contention for a conflict. Both parties guilty.



I've said it before, and I will say it again. The only real answer is misanthropy. Wholesome, blindingly judgemental hatred for the human beast. And a shitload of beer.
 
I understand all that munchkin, and it's very well said and correct. But people today, when confronted with racism, can't TRULY appreciate it. They can appreciate that they've been offended with a term that attacks them and their country. Then they see red. Even those who understand the history can't really appreciate the attack because no one is denied opportunity anymore; but we do find people we dislike and want to throw humiliation at.
 
Necromunchkin said:
Valid point. But then we're addressing the natural tendency for a culture to dehumanize outsiders, an implicit tendency amongst humans. Words are the conveyance, sure, so they change as the cultures evolve, change, diminish, even disappear. Devaluing a word won't necessarily change the intent of its use. Again, it seems on both sides that word is just a sort of point of contention for a conflict. Both parties guilty.



I've said it before, and I will say it again. The only real answer is misanthropy. Wholesome, blindingly judgemental hatred for the human beast. And a shitload of beer.
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yeah, that's pretty much it right there.
 
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