negroes force mother and son to have sex

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

It's a good word.

See: Manilla Road - Decimation

 

[Malergion]

Threadjacking: How is the book "Illium?" I've come across a review or two and was somewhat intigued by it.

Great shit. Simmons is the man. There is a sequel called 'Olympos'. You will go 'man, this is really campy stuff...but it WORKS'. It's got everything from Little Green Men to naked goddesses. The writing is superb, as usual for Simmons.

 

[Dead_Lioness]

So am I. Naught wrong with some racist humour, and I don't think that the things that were said in this thread were anything more than humour (a bit respectlessly here and there), but it seems that when you point that out, the people who are ranting are too busy climbing on their pedestals to see that only a fraction of the posts in this thread were even racist to begin with.

I've been coming to this forum for a long time, and love it here and
respect everyone here. True, when I see threads like "black people haha" or this one: I tend to take them as the joke they are and nothing more.
Everyone who knows me knows I'll be the first to tell any jewish joke; just let me.
However, I think what Trace was trying to say, is that none of us can expect any random fan of a band, which their forum we are using, to understand
the joke as we do. Saying "my pals" and how dumb black people are on a band's forum, is in my opinion, a bit tasteless.
With that being said, that doesn't mean that I'm holier than thou and never said silly racist jokes about jews on the UM myself.
At the same time, one might complain that since some of us made "fun" of Jace Mereel being a virgin, it might affect other virgins
coming to the Nevermore forum and be offended.... it's a never ending race, really.
Still: try to see his point in the macro picture instead the micro one...
which brings me to:

I will only add this: the significance of words does not exist in idosynchratic or idiolectic vacuums. Putting the whole weight of value upon the person perceiving the word is flawed as words always contain the weight of cultural significance. Words are reference points for events, emotional context, history. Anyone claiming they use the word "my pals/fag/wetback/etc." without it meaning anything negative or the associated meanings is full of shit. You know exactly how it is being referenced, and you entirely conscious of what effects it can have for those who have ultimately had those words used antagonistically against them.

Yes, it would be best if people could break down the weight of ages clinging to our shared means of communication, reinvent them to take away all shit that's piled high over millenia of humans fucking each other in the ass... but it doesn't happen over night. And no one has any more right to complain about people being "overly-sensitive" than those who would stifle free expression in attempt to gloss over the harsh reality.

True true true.

 

[metalkingdom]

I've been coming to this forum for a long time, and love it here and
respect everyone here. True, when I see threads like "black people haha" or this one: I tend to take them as the joke they are and nothing more.
Everyone who knows me knows I'll be the first to tell any jewish joke; just let me.
However, I think what Trace was trying to say, is that none of us can expect any random fan of a band, which their forum we are using, to understand
the joke as we do. Saying "my pals" and how dumb black people are on a band's forum, is in my opinion, a bit tasteless.
With that being said, that doesn't mean that I'm holier than thou and never said silly racist jokes about jews on the UM myself.
At the same time, one might complain that since some of us made "fun" of Jace Mereel being a virgin, it might affect other virgins
coming to the Nevermore forum and be offended.... it's a never ending race, really.
Still: try to see his point in the macro picture instead the micro one...
which brings me to:

Originally Posted by Necromunchkin
I will only add this: the significance of words does not exist in idosynchratic or idiolectic vacuums. Putting the whole weight of value upon the person perceiving the word is flawed as words always contain the weight of cultural significance. Words are reference points for events, emotional context, history. Anyone claiming they use the word "my pals/fag/wetback/etc." without it meaning anything negative or the associated meanings is full of shit. You know exactly how it is being referenced, and you entirely conscious of what effects it can have for those who have ultimately had those words used antagonistically against them.

Yes, it would be best if people could break down the weight of ages clinging to our shared means of communication, reinvent them to take away all shit that's piled high over millenia of humans fucking each other in the ass... but it doesn't happen over night. And no one has any more right to complain about people being "overly-sensitive" than those who would stifle free expression in attempt to gloss over the harsh reality.



True true true.

What they said.

 

[Dead_Lioness]

^ clean your PM inbox, dear.
I can't reply to you!

 

[El Stormo]

However, I think what Trace was trying to say, is that none of us can expect any random fan of a band, which their forum we are using, to understand the joke as we do.

And like I said, I can follow him to that extent. It's the holier-than-thou drama queen spectacle that I find contemptible.

 

[metalkingdom]

And like I said, I can follow him to that extent. It's the holier-than-thou drama queen spectacle that I find contemptible.

stfu and eat a waffle

 

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

edit: and penguin, he means mayonaise. Funny thing is, most of us don't even eat that shit. I think Mr. Kingdom has maybe watched a bit too much stereotypical portrayals on TV, yes?

OH. hahahahah.

also, I dig how Stormo is fairly civil and far from racist in his attempt to dispute with metalkingdom, while mk's retort is base racism. NICE.

 

[JKS_III.]

This thread made me lol'd

Good job.

 

[Lies and Perfidy]

Threadjacking: How is the book "Illium?" I've come across a review or two and was somewhat intigued by it.

Ilium is frigging fantastic. Olympos is really disappointing but has a few great scenes; honestly, the first one is fine as a standalone novel.

 

[Malergion]

Ilium is frigging fantastic. Olympos is really disappointing but has a few great scenes; honestly, the first one is fine as a standalone novel.

Helen of Troy.

 

[derek]

I've almost picked of Ilium a few times based on its name alone. I shall do so now with confidence that it's gonna be pretty good.

 

[Malergion]

I've almost picked of Ilium a few times based on its name alone. I shall do so now with confidence that it's gonna be pretty good.

I picked it up because it was:
a) thick
b) written by Dan Simmons
c) red ( I like red ).

 

[Dead_Lioness]

oooohhh I love Dan Simmons

(Why else did I name my dog Shrike? )

I must pick this book up as well. *sighs*
after I'm done reading all the shit I need to read for school that is

 

[Dead_Lioness]

stfu and eat a waffle

man.... come on.

I'll defend Belgium with a passion. I love that country.
Vlaams bier, vlaams everything!

 

[derek]

Yep, If I could live anywhere but here it'd be Italy or Belgium.

 

[Dead_Lioness]

^ but I like the Flemish parts more
I agree about Italy. Big time.

 

[Lord Foul]

All the Italians I know are complete fuckwads. Possibly as a result of being Catholic.

 

[derek]

Depends on where you go. I've met dicks in every country I've been in. Admittedly Italians take while to get used to, but they're friendly people for the most part.

I spend a month there every year and I love it. This year was mostly Rome, for work, but I spent quite a while in Florence and, Scotland aside, I find it hard to think of another country I feel so at home in.

 

[El Stormo]

stfu and eat a waffle

Y'know, I kind of respected your point of view (not so much your ways of stating it), but now you just turn out to be a frustrated loser. And one who's even unfunny at that.

also, I dig how Stormo is fairly civil and far from racist in his attempt to dispute with metalkingdom, while mk's retort is base racism. NICE.

Well, technically it's not racism, since he isn't mocking my race, but my nationality; but yeah, our friend metalkingdom's showing what a prat he is. Funny how he comes in and rants about principles, yet when he's provoked, his principles don't seem that important after all.

I'll defend Belgium with a passion. I love that country.
Vlaams bier, vlaams everything!

I'll bet mk thinks we all speak French. He called us fake-France, after all. Shows how much that dick knows. By the way, I'm still waiting for you to come to Belgium so we can have a cold, strong Belgian beer?