Nevermore Forum Nostalgia
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Shpongled
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I remember posting on the Nevermore forum back when it was hosted on their actual website, before UM ever existed. That makes me feel old, but I was also really young back in those days. I'd like to think I am less pretentious now than I was then 
Albeit a sophisticated and properly articulated snob, which is one of the many reasons I like you so much
Yep, still a snob
Albeit a sophisticated and properly articulated snob, which is one of the many reasons I like you so much
Dead Winter
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I wouldn't call it snobbery, just knowledge about the proper ways to eat food.
Food is not supposed to just fill you up; you should be able to taste every single ingredient in your food and know how to eat it in order to maximize taste. This is why you don't put barbecue sauce on steak (or anything else that's not "barbecue"), put parmesan cheese on a seafood pasta, drink red wine with fish, or put fucking bacon in everything.
Bacon. Seriously, wtf? At least pancetta is cured bacon, properly seasoned and salted and you can eat it raw it's so good. But no, everyone these days seems to be putting plain ole bland breakfast bacon in everything from their Cheerios to bloody ice cream, and it's all because of the damn internet. It's disgusting.
The world needs food snobs in order to keep people from doing shit like putting mayonnaise on pizza or dousing everything in Tabasco sauce and ketchup.
Food is not supposed to just fill you up; you should be able to taste every single ingredient in your food and know how to eat it in order to maximize taste. This is why you don't put barbecue sauce on steak (or anything else that's not "barbecue"), put parmesan cheese on a seafood pasta, drink red wine with fish, or put fucking bacon in everything.
Bacon. Seriously, wtf? At least pancetta is cured bacon, properly seasoned and salted and you can eat it raw it's so good. But no, everyone these days seems to be putting plain ole bland breakfast bacon in everything from their Cheerios to bloody ice cream, and it's all because of the damn internet. It's disgusting.
The world needs food snobs in order to keep people from doing shit like putting mayonnaise on pizza or dousing everything in Tabasco sauce and ketchup.
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Dead Winter
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Wait, wait, nothing against Tabasco! I love Tabasco! It goes great with eggs and lots of other stuff! I just chose a random condiment that gets overused.
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And if anyone can do it it's the Italians, right?
(half Italian, so I already know the answer. Just joking with ya)
Dead Winter
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The French are pretty good at it as well...I just don't like all the pate shit.
As far as beef goes, however, nothing beats American Angus, both North and South American. The problem is too many people in the US douse such amazing beef with condiments instead of savoring it's awesomeness. No one can cook beef like us Americans.
As far as beef goes, however, nothing beats American Angus, both North and South American. The problem is too many people in the US douse such amazing beef with condiments instead of savoring it's awesomeness. No one can cook beef like us Americans.
Dead_Lioness
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Thanks for the support, Kevin (always <3!!) and Chris!
I am half French and a 1/4 Italian, so hey: I guess it's in my genes
On a side note:
A year ago I decided to cut beef completely out of my diet, for health, environmental, and animal-rights reasons. I never really liked beef anyways, so it was an easy decision.
I couldn't care less for burgers or steaks, but what I personally find the hardest, is avoiding delicious meals like: Beef Bourguignon, or Ragu, or slow cooked beef stews etc etc... That's HARD but I am 95% there.
Why 95%? because I don't believe in being "religious" about anything. I reserve a 5% for the rare times I'll be in Europe and would like to eat those foods again, (not to mention: beef industry in Europe is superior to the US) and if I am at someone's house and they are cooking me dinner: I might eat it.
Why am I telling you this? Oh yeah, Beef.
The beef in the US for the most part, is actually shit. Corporation farms DESTROY beef. Only good beef (food quality + flavor wise) is the grass-fed, and free range.
which is about 10% of the beef in the US ,sadly.
Argentina, is an excellent example of a country that has really high beef standards, and their beef quality is outstanding.
I am half French and a 1/4 Italian, so hey: I guess it's in my genes
On a side note:
A year ago I decided to cut beef completely out of my diet, for health, environmental, and animal-rights reasons. I never really liked beef anyways, so it was an easy decision.
I couldn't care less for burgers or steaks, but what I personally find the hardest, is avoiding delicious meals like: Beef Bourguignon, or Ragu, or slow cooked beef stews etc etc... That's HARD but I am 95% there.
Why 95%? because I don't believe in being "religious" about anything. I reserve a 5% for the rare times I'll be in Europe and would like to eat those foods again, (not to mention: beef industry in Europe is superior to the US) and if I am at someone's house and they are cooking me dinner: I might eat it.
Why am I telling you this? Oh yeah, Beef.
The beef in the US for the most part, is actually shit. Corporation farms DESTROY beef. Only good beef (food quality + flavor wise) is the grass-fed, and free range.
which is about 10% of the beef in the US ,sadly.
Argentina, is an excellent example of a country that has really high beef standards, and their beef quality is outstanding.
Dead Winter
STAHP
Yep, Argentina all the way. Like you said, the mass-slaughtered beef is total shit. Raising your own cattle and sending it to the slaughterhouse yourself is a world of difference; I guess I was lucky growing up on a beef cattle ranch. Sadly, as you said, the best beef in the US (which is some of the best in the world) makes up only about 10% of the market.
Dead_Lioness
Godless
I'm telling you, Chris: reading and knowing where your meat really comes from, especially in the US (and corporation farms) will turn any carnivore into a vegetarian... With all due respect: if you buy regular beef at a store/ restaurant: you're eating lowest quality of beef- PERIOD.
(Same with chickens...) Maybe I shouldn't have read/ research that, right?
But I'm glad I did!
(Same with chickens...) Maybe I shouldn't have read/ research that, right?
But I'm glad I did!
Dead Winter
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That's why nearly all our beef, pork, rabbit, and poultry comes from either our family's animals or directly from the butcher. Of course we'll buy ground meat at the store sometimes, but that comes from the butcher as well.
What you have to watch out for here is the discount grocery beef...but you can look at it and tell it's mass-produced. They're quite serious about the highest quality food here...it's why they won't allow Taco Bell to set up shop.
As for restaurants, they're very strict about their meat because they have to be. Restaurants here have to be well above and beyond everyone else in order to stay in business because people cook and eat their own food every day. The US has a much faster pace of daily life, so their restaurants have to keep up with that, and therefore the quality of the food suffers, especially if it's a chain restaurant. People eat out much more than they cook, which is partly why there's such an obesity problem and unhealthy living problems. I go out to eat maybe once every three months because it's really difficult to find a place that cooks better than my mother-in law,.
Have you read any American recipes lately? Buy one MIX of this, add another MIX of that...no one knows how to cook anything anymore. No one can make anything anymore using only ingredients. All the food you eat at Chili's, Outback, TGIFriday's, etc. is all pre-prepared and chock full of steroids and preservatives. Sure, they probably grill the steaks on a grill or cook the hamburgers, but the meat is already pre-cut, pre-packaged, and prepared beforehand...nothing's fresh anymore. And don't get me started on Olive Garden.
What you have to watch out for here is the discount grocery beef...but you can look at it and tell it's mass-produced. They're quite serious about the highest quality food here...it's why they won't allow Taco Bell to set up shop.
As for restaurants, they're very strict about their meat because they have to be. Restaurants here have to be well above and beyond everyone else in order to stay in business because people cook and eat their own food every day. The US has a much faster pace of daily life, so their restaurants have to keep up with that, and therefore the quality of the food suffers, especially if it's a chain restaurant. People eat out much more than they cook, which is partly why there's such an obesity problem and unhealthy living problems. I go out to eat maybe once every three months because it's really difficult to find a place that cooks better than my mother-in law,
.Have you read any American recipes lately? Buy one MIX of this, add another MIX of that...no one knows how to cook anything anymore. No one can make anything anymore using only ingredients. All the food you eat at Chili's, Outback, TGIFriday's, etc. is all pre-prepared and chock full of steroids and preservatives. Sure, they probably grill the steaks on a grill or cook the hamburgers, but the meat is already pre-cut, pre-packaged, and prepared beforehand...nothing's fresh anymore. And don't get me started on Olive Garden.
Dead_Lioness
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^ hahaha very true, Chris!
I hate cooking from boxes or cans or crap like that... cooking from scratch or not at all...
No respectable cook will ever use pre-made red sauce for their pasta, for example... (unless you use Pomi as a base.. which is OK sometimes)
All that processed crap has no room on my plate, personally.
It's same in Israel, Chris: people cook so much at home, that restaurants have to be spectacular in order to stay in business
BTW- I am going to be in Venice this June! We are landing there, and driving to Slovenia for out good friends' wedding, then doing a little tour in Croatia and back to Venice!
HELLO ITALIAN FOOD MAMA IS COMING
I hate cooking from boxes or cans or crap like that... cooking from scratch or not at all...
No respectable cook will ever use pre-made red sauce for their pasta, for example... (unless you use Pomi as a base.. which is OK sometimes)
All that processed crap has no room on my plate, personally.
It's same in Israel, Chris: people cook so much at home, that restaurants have to be spectacular in order to stay in business
BTW- I am going to be in Venice this June! We are landing there, and driving to Slovenia for out good friends' wedding, then doing a little tour in Croatia and back to Venice!
HELLO ITALIAN FOOD MAMA IS COMING
Dead Winter
STAHP
Slovenia is so awesome, I love it. It's accessible like the US without the copy/paste stuff. It's way ahead of Italy in some places, even though the economy is much smaller and it's still poorer. I went to Bled this year on vacation and thoroughly enjoyed it.
When you're in Venice, there's a place in the University district that makes the greatest tramezzini you'll ever eat. I'll explain it to you later, but it's a little red pub next to an enoteca. They call it "Bar Rosso" but it doesn't even have a real name. I think it's in Campo Santa Margherita...just ask a local and they'll know where you're talking about. Eat and drink in that area because it's for students and locals and you won't get ripped off (not as badly, at least).
When you're in Venice, there's a place in the University district that makes the greatest tramezzini you'll ever eat. I'll explain it to you later, but it's a little red pub next to an enoteca. They call it "Bar Rosso" but it doesn't even have a real name. I think it's in Campo Santa Margherita...just ask a local and they'll know where you're talking about. Eat and drink in that area because it's for students and locals and you won't get ripped off (not as badly, at least).
