New Born of Osiris Song-Produced by Bulb and Casey Sabol

[MEGA DAVE]

hahaha gotta love photoshop

 

[foundations]

damn this aint good man, sturgis would suit their sound perfectly, but they seem to constantly have terrible production on all their albums, nothing sits right with me.

 

[Harry Hughes]

while I do like bulbs music, Im not much of a fan of axe fx or superior. A world where real studios that record bands on real instruments with real amps is one I dont want to live in.

I guess there will always have to be a few good studios to make drum samples in, and nice rooms to take impulses from, but overall I`m not a fan of the direction music production is taking.

and glitch is soooo ghey now. I wonder if bulb is capable making a production with no glitch! I guess it bedazzles scene fags.

Wha?

 

[Harry Hughes]

While I'm here, Bulb confirms he used the 5150 amp model with a Tube Screamer emulation.

using the 5150 model with the tubescreamer in front.
pretty simple patch!

Can't say it sounds as good as an actual 5150 and real TS though, hmm........

 

[Ionei]

Dig the songs more than previous stuff they've done.

 

[lolzgreg]

It's shortened to BOO for a reason

 

[-Gavin-]

Didn't people love bulb here... then he started doing well for himself and now people hate him...? Did I get that right?

 

[lolzgreg]

I think Bulb has a lot of talent as a songwriter and producer, but these Born Of Osiris songs sound like Bulb opened up the project file for his album, erased the tracks, and recorded with the exact same guitar tone, same superior drum sound, same vocal processing, etc.

Some of Joey's productions sound quite similar, but that has more to do with the fact that most of the bands that he records want to sound like eachother, and if the music you play is similar, and the process of editing and production is done by the same man, there's a good chance that it's going to sound similar.

 

[Harry Hughes]

Didn't people love bulb here... then he started doing well for himself and now people hate him...? Did I get that right?

I don't recall there being a ton of Bulb love around here anyway. Yeah, he has his fans around here, but people don't go apeshit over him and kiss his ass here like 80 per cent of SS.org do.
Honestly I was never really into Periphery into I got their debut album.
Before then, I was just one of those people that never really paid attention to the stuff he did.
But the point is, his production style is getting fairly homogenized across the bands he works with.
While Sneap may not be doing anything groundbreaking and sometimes his productions don't even fit the album that well, I can give him major props for being able to make each production and/or mix he does sound really different from each other.
And well yeah, he actually has a clue about real engineering, something Bulb doesn't really have at this point.

 

[Williamn]

+1 @ -Gavin-

people calling this a terrible production saying and directly saying bulb does not have a clue about real engineering is stretching it a bit IMO.

 

[Harry Hughes]

+1 @ -Gavin-

people calling this a terrible production saying and directly saying bulb does not have a clue about real engineering is stretching it a bit IMO.

I think it's more of a case of the production not fitting the band.
Which in that case, doesn't make it all that flash.
And he might be a pretty good mix engineer (not quite fantastic), but you really gotta learn the fundamentals to really become a serious tracking.
There is only so much fucking around you can do with S2.0 and amp sims before you should realize you gotta move up to mic-ing up the real deal and gaining a real understanding and knowledge of the art.
I can certainl say that mic-ing up an amp for the first time ever was a really eye opening experience and I learnt a lot from doing it that I couldn't learn from using amp sims and impulses.

 

[Pedro Teixeira]

I think it's more of a case of the production not fitting the band.
Which in that case, doesn't make it all that flash.
And he might be a pretty good mix engineer (not quite fantastic), but you really gotta learn the fundamentals to really become a serious tracking.
There is only so much fucking around you can do with S2.0 and amp sims before you should realize you gotta move up to mic-ing up the real deal and gaining a real understanding and knowledge of the art.
I can certainl say that mic-ing up an amp for the first time ever was a really eye opening experience and I learnt a lot from doing it that I couldn't learn from using amp sims and impulses.

+1000 well said

 

[Ermz]

My beef with a lot of the newer releases in the scenester genres is that some of the guys that work on them have no place to be making records for labels. It simply has negative implications for the rest of the industry. The bar gets lowered across the board. I've had this conversation with a name engineer on here, and he agreed wholeheartedly. It's a really sad state of affairs.

 

[Melb_shredder]

^^^ I definitely get the sentiment.
Essentially, if this gets accepted by labels, and then a low representation, and then lower and lower and lower and then the craft itself is watered down to the point where people in a room with barely any real audio engineering knowledge are mixing for bands and labels?

I might be wrong, but I get that from the post anyway

 

[Harry Hughes]

My beef with a lot of the newer releases in the scenester genres is that some of the guys that work on them have no place to be making records for labels. It simply has negative implications for the rest of the industry. The bar gets lowered across the board. I've had this conversation with a name engineer on here, and he agreed wholeheartedly. It's a really sad state of affairs.

Word.
Although that said BoO are actually pretty goddamn skilled musicians unlike a lot of "scene" bullshit bands.
Far more into actually playing their instruments rather than going to shops and trying out the latest faggy tight jeans and putting on hairspray and makeup.

First album had this really boxy, muffled and just really strange sounding production, and I'm certain I could have done a better mix than whoever did their second album. Just sounds way too bright (really hard mix to listen too because it's so fucking fatiguing) and the bass guitar is practically non existent.
And now this latest one comes out with the Axe FX and all the other various crap.
They've pretty much just sunk right to the bottom because of the fucked up production and lack of direction by a good producer (as in, the actual production proper side of things with arrangements, suggesting where to cut the fat etc etc), which sucks because the band (IMO) displayed a lot of potential on their first album.

 

[Seizure.]

My beef with a lot of the newer releases in the scenester genres is that some of the guys that work on them have no place to be making records for labels. It simply has negative implications for the rest of the industry. The bar gets lowered across the board. I've had this conversation with a name engineer on here, and he agreed wholeheartedly. It's a really sad state of affairs.

True,
But i also think there is not enough money anymore in music of metal to have everything done with a big ass budget.

I think its interessting to see some smaller guys also doing some mixes, some suck, some are realy good, and the "pro" guys will be making records anyway, so if we would just keep doing what we all want to do and not complain it'll aaaaalll be goood

You can't stop this development anyway.

 

[Harry Hughes]

True,
But i also think there is not enough money anymore in music of metal to have everything done with a big ass budget.

I think its interessting to see some smaller guys also doing some mixes, some suck, some are realy good, and the "pro" guys will be making records anyway, so if we would just keep doing what we all want to do and not complain it'll aaaaalll be goood

You can't stop this development anyway.

There's money, but I just think it has to come from the willingness of the band itself to pull some of it from their own pockets too and really, was there ever a time when many metal bands could afford a good production job anyway? Not back in it's earliest days of Black Sabbath, and certainly not now, so it's nothing new to have a low budget anyway.
If a band doesn't want to go that extra mile, work their day job for 4 more weeks so they can afford to go to a proper production, or at least someone fairly decent, rather than a 50 dollar hack job bedroom wanker, it's their loss really.