New Trivium track

[Dead Winter]

Woah. Measured response not required.

These exact same accusations could be thrown at any generation, yours included. It's all folly.

I disagree with you. I don't think the slacker generation (us) has changed that much, other than getting better jobs...sometimes. Compared to the hippie generation, we really haven't changed our ideals. Where most of them contend they "bought in, not sold out", I really don't see the hippie movement of the 60's as prolific as it once was, besides a few stoners of today.

We, on the other hand, still despise authority, still yearn to make our own mark in our lives on our own terms and reject any notion of "greater good". We are the exact opposite of the baby boomers, yet we both share the same resolve for our lives. The hippies just kinda realized that getting high for the rest of their lives couldn't work, and that hugging trees forever won't put food on the table, so they elected to get with the program and lead "normal" lives. I'm not saying it was a bad choice; on the contrary, it was the right choice. But the resolve to continue that just wasn't there...except for maybe Tommy Chong, The Grateful Dead, and a handful of 90's wannabe hippies.

 

[neal]

damn, i wish i was part of YOUR generation since apparently ALL the other generations suck ass.

 

[Dead Winter]

You are part of my generation.

I fail to see how being a slacker in generation x is somehow better than being part of any other generation...well, hehe, except for generation "why?".

I just stated that we have more resolve in our attitude than the hippie generation did...not that our attitude is a good thing, we're just more hard-headed.

 

[EricT]

My generation DOES suck... full of many an unsightly person. I'm going to do my best to make sure this next upcoming generation doesn't suck...


... by eating babies.

 

[Dead Winter]

Keep eating. We're still overpopulated.

 

[neal]

what with the rising cost of food and over abundance of children born into households that cant support them, how could you consider yourself a responsible citizen and NOT eat babies?

 

[Dead Winter]

Exactly. And what with mad cow and all that business...it's a perfectly suitable substitute.

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

My generation DOES suck... full of many an unsightly person. I'm going to do my best to make sure this next upcoming generation doesn't suck...


... by eating babies.

your generation is UTAH... ALL OF UTAH

 

[derek]

The generation is the tide, we're really just surfing on it. You cannot define yourself by a generation.

 

[neal]

but the hippies sold out, man!

 

[azal]

all generations have their portion of suck, but there is no doubt that people my age (25-30) are part of the last generation to listen to music normally, before the internets.

No one who is under 20 now knows about buying one tape and listening to it for 6 months straight and knowing all the lyrics and riffs by heart. Skipping school to get Youthanasia or Ozzmosis on tape when they dropped, because they just download the advance three months earlier.

Not saying it's anyone's fault, that's just the way it is.

In 1997 when I started ordering stuff from online shops, I would have my money saved up for an order, and even if I got something that was kinda shitty, I would listen to it non stop because that's the only new shit I had to listen to. So to this day I know shitty second rate prog metal albums like Treasure Land - questions from start to finished by heart.

 

[Dead Winter]

Remember when you bought a tape you absolutely loved, and then six months later you had to buy a new one because on all your favorite parts there was that warbling sound due to it being played too much?

I remember staying in my bedroom for hours on end, just listening to my stereo with headphones. I couldn't just go out and buy all the music I loved, but there was a kickass radio station and I would sit there with a blank tape on pause, waiting to record one of my favorite songs. I did that with Bruce Dickinson's Tears of the Dragon, White Zombie, Pantera, etc. I got my first cd player when I was like 15...I think it was around 1993 or so. Before that it was just cassette tapes and tons of blank tapes with assorted recordings.

By today's standards, all this sounds pretty primitive...but hardly anyone had a computer, much less the internet. I think the pure and absolute love for music was much stronger then than it is now. When something becomes readily available, it kinda loses its charm.

I remember when Sponge's Rotting Pinata album came out...even though I had a cd player at home, I didn't have one in my truck, so I bought the cassette anyway. Wore that fucker out, then bought the cd. Being in high school severely limited your music purchases. Every single penny you earned or that was given to you, you saved so you could go splurge on some music. I remember spending all my Christmas money on cds one year, and I didn't buy another cd for another 6 months.

 

[Swabs]

I really don't see how listening to a single tape so much that it fucks up makes you a "truer" music fan than someone who listens to music via any other method.. In fact the above two posts are pretty much bullshit, laughable, overly nostalgic, typical "oh ye olde days were better, times have changed" bullshit.

 

[Dead Winter]

Where did I say it made you a "truer" music fan? Show me where I said it was somehow better...if anything it was worse.

My point was only that now that everything is so readily available at any time and easy to get, the excitement of getting an album you had been waiting literally years for isn't somehow as exciting today as it was then. I remember being SO excited to hear Metallica's Load for the first time, and when I put the cd in, it was like my world came crashing down around me. I think I was the biggest Metallica fan evar, and I was crushed when I heard "Until it Sleeps". It grew on me, but it didn't smack me in the face like the Black album did. It's a good album, but it wasn't the Metallica I had been waiting literally 4 years to hear. Now, it's just a minor annoyance when a band puts out a mediocre album because usually you can get some sort of clip online before it hits the stores and have an idea months before it's released.

We're not saying it was better, or that we were somehow "truer" music fans. We were just hungrier.

 

[Swabs]

You glorified listening to music on tape as being somehow "better" than modern methods, not to mention you said "I think the pure and absolute love for music was much stronger then than it is now", implying that todays music fans are somehow lesser to older ones. Azal claimed that his generation is the last generation to "listen to music normally", define normally.

 

[Dead Winter]

Listening to music "normally", as he put it, means having to wait years before knowing anything about the album, and then blind buying it. And even then, if you didn't like the album so much, you listened to it repeatedly anyway because you just spent a lot of money on a cd and you were gonna give it at least ten chances before you decided it was shit and wasn't going to grow on you.

Dude, there was a program where you could call on your phone to listen to a 10 second clip of a band's album...this was in like 1995 or something. They had to shut down the service because they had too many people all over the country calling in. We thought it was the coolest thing ever, to be able to listen to an album before buying it, all from your house. Now it's called Youtube.

A lot of what we're talking about is just nostalgic, and we're not saying it's somehow better than today...again, it was worse because there was never the outlet to discover music like there is today. All we're saying is that we were a little more naive then because everything wasn't readily available to us. But it was a good thing and we have fond memories of it.

Today, we're not those same people and I download like crazy...but the passion for new releases isn't nearly as exciting as it was then. I remember not being able to concentrate during school because I was about to buy the new Pantera album when I got out of school that day. I was so excited to get a new cd, especially a cd from a band I liked. There was also a little more continuity with releases in those days. Bands didn't radically change like they do today. Although you may have blind bought a cd, you pretty much knew it would be a good cd. Metallica's Load was the first shock.

Again, there was just a hunger for music that's kinda watered-down today. If you want a clue how it was, get a part-time job, throw away your computer, and buy every cd you want to hear. Pretty soon you're going to run out of money and you can't download because it doesn't exist yet. I bet you'll start feeling pretty hungry for music in a way you've never felt before. Imagine all of your mp3s...now imagine having to buy every single album you have downloaded, and then imagine all the time, money, and effort it took you to get to that point.

You're goddamn right you'd feel a little nostalgic.

 

[Dead Winter]

I personally think downloading is a good thing, what with all the crap floating around music these days. With less and less continuity in bands these days, it's almost imperative to try before you buy...or don't even buy at all. If the album is crap, don't fucking buy it. This will put the onus on the bands to either start making better music or get day jobs.

 

[Swabs]

Well I wont deny you have a point about the eagerness for buying a new album. But I don't think it's right to say that passion for music as a whole has become any less.

 

[azal]

swabs, no one is question your love for music or anyone elses, but you can't deny that a little bit of the magic that came with listening to music has died.

no doubt there is a lot of old fart nostalgia going on in my and dead winter's posts, but there's nothing wrong with that either.

totally know about the horror of hearing until it sleeps and then seeing the video with silky shirts and eye makeup. Still bought Load on the first day it was out, of course.

Also radio shows, yep, listening to A Pleasant Shade of Grey a week before it was released officially on WSOU was crazy for me and my brother. We'd tape every song and then make another dub of the songs we actually liked and then tape over the show with another show next week. Can't remember what the dude's name was that had the Seton Hall show, but I remember I discovered everything from Suffocation to Crimson Glory through that show.

 

[neal]

or blind buying albums just because they have a cool cover. who knows what it sounds like, there aint no metal-archives.com to look it up on!