New Trivium track

[azal]

haha yes.

also I bought Tempest - Turn of the Wheel when I was in my prog phase, figuring it's on Magna Carta it must be prog.

ended up being irish folk rock :/

had to listen to it though, still know all the songs

 

[Kvlt Wench]

No one who is under 20 now knows about buying one tape and listening to it for 6 months straight and knowing all the lyrics and riffs by heart.

What does downloading albums have to do with how well you know the music? Your age doesn't make you special, so get over yourself and quit trying to tell me me how and why I listen to what I do.

 

[azal]

you missed the entire point. re-read mine and dead winter's posts. No one is saying negative about young kids and how they listen to music, just reminiscing about a "magic" that no longer exists in the whole ritual of listening to new music.

 

[derek]

The rituals evolved. The value judgements seem extrinsic to the fact, dependent only on positive nostalgia.

I'm with Isabel on this one guys, you're not just making personal judgements based on nostalgia (which is fair enough) but you're flying into non-sequitur territory by assuming later generations have a somewhat cheapened appreciation for music and its various mediums.

I may have listened to Testament first time on tape (and worn it out), but if Isabel happened by them a few years later on CD (and also loved it) then I fail to see how the latter can be belittled purely for being the latter.

 

[azal]

their appreciation isn't cheapened, the experience is, you can't really deny that. Just like our experience was cheapened by not having gatefold huge ass records with trippy ass full color covers to roll our blunts on to the beautiful hissing of an analog recorded Master of Reality the first time we heard it.

with being able to download an album in 10 minutes while taking a shit, you can defend the convenience, the sound quality, the availability, everything but the experience of cutting class, running to the local mom n pop store, buying a tape with hard earned money from working at a dank pizzeria, popping it in the deck, and gazing at the cover art and lyrics while hearing for the first time something you've been waiting 2-4 years to hear and imagining what it would sound like all the while.

And I'm sure that there are kids you still do that, and love to buy albums and play the fuck out of them and memorize every lyrics, no doubt that still happens. But they are not in the majority.

The love of music is the same, but the experience is different.

This might be a horrible analogy, or a really good one, but I'm in the group of people that prefers the time when there were no cars and you walked to school and it took you 2 hours instead of 20 minutes, but at least you were not fat. Some people have no problem with being fat, which is cool, different strokes. But my idea and experience of getting to school is absolutely different from theirs. Good or bad. In my opinion, my experience is superior to theirs and there are probably a lot of those fat people who would have loved walking to school if there were no cars, but they'll never know because, alas, their mom had a ford escort.

horrible analogy actually

 

[Vincent J.]

Ehe, I remember how it was when I barely had internet and didn't know of downloading programs.
I had to search for music on google, and when I found cheap ass 20 second samples I was sooo happy.
The experience hasn't degraded a thing I guess (for me). I still buy cd's and almost never already know them before I listen to it.

And well, even if you download it it doesn't exactly pull down the value of being blown away by new music.
If the music is good I would still crawl through mud to get it originally.
Downloading is just an easier way to get to know the music.
It's a big improvement to me ^^

 

[azal]

for the record, I download my ass off too and enjoy all the benefits of the interwebs. But when I compare the experience of hearing the last meshuggah when it leaked and buying Chaosphere when it came out, sentimentally, it's not even close, that's all.

 

[Vincent J.]

Yeah I get your point

but it IS yóur choice how to experience the first listen

 

[Dead Winter]

or blind buying albums just because they have a cool cover. who knows what it sounds like, there aint no metal-archives.com to look it up on!

Did that a few times! It bit me in the ass a few times as well, but it was all that much sweeter when you discovered something that just blew your mind. Did that with Celestial Season...popped in the cd, cringing, waiting to be let down and then bam...awesome growls and really heavy, doomy guitar work.

 

[azal]

btw, that new trivium song still sucks dick.

 

[Dead Winter]

What does downloading albums have to do with how well you know the music? Your age doesn't make you special, so get over yourself and quit trying to tell me me how and why I listen to what I do.

I know Azal posted it, but I just wanted to re-iterate that we're not saying that your appreciation for music has dwindled just because I was born before you were. That would be kinda stupid and just plain asinine. We never said anything about us knowing more about music and the younger generation knowing less. We just feel that when we were your age (man I sound fuckin' old), we didn't take music for granted like everyone (me included) does today. To be honest, I don't know the last cd I bought...I'm a downloading fool. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free, right? (BTW, I still buy cds, but they have to be exceptional like Warrel's new one)

All we're saying is that the "magic" of getting a new cd has all but gone now, with their being so readily available online. It's more of the experience that you went through to get that album that's watered down now, not the people's tastes...that's what we're talking about.

Think of it like all those old farts you see talking about the "good ole' days"...they wouldn't want to go back to those days, but they appreciated them for what they were and the experiences they brought.

When my uncle bought The Beatles' White Album on vinyl when it came out, his first experience was probably a lot more intense and appreciative than mine was when I downloaded it...not because he somehow has a better grasp on music than I do, but the entire experience of getting it in his hands, staring at the artwork, completely fixated by the cover, lyrics, and experience that goes with vinyl had a bigger impact on him than my listening to it while surfing the net.

 

[rms]

I really don't understand. So, because you skipped class and went to a store to buy a CD there's no chance of anyone doing it now because, GASP, some fucking people don't download!? I don't know about you but I had 3000 Manegarm plays in maybe 3 months and if that's not 'listening to the same album over, and over again until you know every lyric/riff by heart" then I dont know what is, and that's just on LastFM.

 

[Dead Winter]

I really don't understand.

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[Det Som Engang Var]

Trivium was so much fucking better as a metalcore band. Like Light To Flies was a good song.

Horrible now.

 

[azal]

Ascendancy was the metalcore one, right?

I think I remember liking a few tracks when I heard it. I'm gonna check it out again now.

 

[Det Som Engang Var]

I think so, it's been so long I can't remember.

I should check it out again too.

 

[Altitudes]

All of it is shit to my ears.

 

[Rebourne]

Another one to rip apart, this one isn't as bad as the other one though.

 

[Enemy242]

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i'm with the old guys on this one sorta. i didn't read the whole thread but on the subject of downloading/the internet sorta cheapening the experience i've felt that first hand. nowadays when i download i just kinda grab folders, download them, blow through them, sometimes i find sick albums, sometimes i don't. not to say that i don't find an album that blows me away a lot, i recently discovered Wormed and they were really intense and sorta gave me that feeling, but it was nothing compared to when i was younger and had no idea about the internet downloading thing.
my brother had played me some in flames stuff and i thought it was sick, so when i was out of town i went out of my way and tracked down a record store, bought whoracle and read and stared at the artwork and cd for the hour drive. once i put it in and heard Jotun and the rest of it, it had an insanely large effect on me and blew me away and even to this day just listening to that album brings back a bit of that feeling, same thing with some children of bodom albums, the whole experience and atmosphere of buying the cd and reading the booklet and having the artwork really does make a difference.

 

[Vincent J.]

i'm with the old guys on this one sorta. i didn't read the whole thread but on the subject of downloading/the internet sorta cheapening the experience i've felt that first hand. nowadays when i download i just kinda grab folders, download them, blow through them, sometimes i find sick albums, sometimes i don't. not to say that i don't find an album that blows me away a lot, i recently discovered Wormed and they were really intense and sorta gave me that feeling, but it was nothing compared to when i was younger and had no idea about the internet downloading thing.
my brother had played me some in flames stuff and i thought it was sick, so when i was out of town i went out of my way and tracked down a record store, bought whoracle and read and stared at the artwork and cd for the hour drive. once i put it in and heard Jotun and the rest of it, it had an insanely large effect on me and blew me away and even to this day just listening to that album brings back a bit of that feeling, same thing with some children of bodom albums, the whole experience and atmosphere of buying the cd and reading the booklet and having the artwork really does make a difference.

No one forces you to download it.

Like I said before; It's your own choice.
When you hear a good song you downloaded DON'T download the rest of the album and listen to it indifferently. Try to make a big deal out of it by actually buying it while only knowing a few songs and warming yourself up reading the lyrics and checking the artwork...
If you say the experience has degraded you're really just being lazy