Norway tragedy

[AeonicSlumber]

Varg Vikernes was able to record and release two albums and take leave time to visit family while serving a prison sentence in Norway. Things might be different for this guy, but they don't really seem all that harsh.

Yeah but their prison system isn't an abusive business like ours is, it's about actually correcting the problems of these people and turning them into functioning members of society. We (me included) might think 21 years for murder isn't enough, especially to get the treatment he gets (having a computer, access to guitars etc), but the mentality over there is not such a vengeful one like us. Varg may be a dickhead, and he may have stupid views, but doctors and society in general has determined that he could still contribute to it. Norway's extremely low crime rate means *something* is working.

This terrorist on the other hand, will probably get life in prison. His defense lawyer even said so.

 

[dcowboys311]

Yeah but their prison system isn't an abusive business like ours is, it's about actually correcting the problems of these people and turning them into functioning members of society. We (me included) might think 21 years for murder isn't enough, especially to get the treatment he gets (having a computer, access to guitars etc), but the mentality over there is not such a vengeful one like us. Varg may be a dickhead, and he may have stupid views, but doctors and society in general has determined that he could still contribute to it. Norway's extremely low crime rate means *something* is working.

This terrorist on the other hand, will probably get life in prison. His defense lawyer even said so.

Yeah they have a low crime rate, but it's probably not a related to the prison system at all. After all, how are people supposed to reap the rehabilitating benefits of the prison without having spent time there in the first place?

While our prison system has turned into a business of sorts over the past few decades, it wasn't always like that. And there is a huge middle ground between being an 'abusive business' and being adult daycare.

 

[AeonicSlumber]

Yeah they have a low crime rate, but it's probably not a related to the prison system at all. After all, how are people supposed to reap the rehabilitating benefits of the prison without having spent time there in the first place?

Yeah but the amount of repeat offenders dwindles considerably when there's a low crime rate. Hence, the prison system doing something right. Not saying it's a black and white issue though.

While our prison system has turned into a business of sorts over the past few decades, it wasn't always like that. And there is a huge middle ground between being an 'abusive business' and being adult daycare.

I agree. It's definitely not a clearcut issue, but there *are* alot of things about our own prison system (like the death penalty) we need to pay attention to and get rid of.

 

[johan68]

Well, at least there's that. I'm guessing Norway doesn't have a death penalty. How is your prison system? Would he be put in solitary or are your prisoners not prone to shank eachother like ours?

He most likely will be shanked. Or if he somehow escapes a shanking, a million or so Scandinavians will be waiting for the bitch when he (if he ever) gets out....

Even if the Norwegian / Swedish prison system is seemed soft, the prisoners usually take care of business. And perhaps the wardens will turn their heads a bit more in this case than normal. This asshole is hated on every level in Norway and Sweden. Even the White Supremacy groups wants him to vanish from earth.

 

[johan68]

Yeah but the amount of repeat offenders dwindles considerably when there's a low crime rate. Hence, the prison system doing something right. Not saying it's a black and white issue though.



I agree. It's definitely not a clearcut issue, but there *are* alot of things about our own prison system (like the death penalty) we need to pay attention to and get rid of.

Excellent post.

 

[Mardoch]

I can no longer recall the source, but I remember reading about the Norwegian prison system about a year ago. It is very much focused on rehabilitation and not punishment. They have enviably low rates of recidivism.

I read Varg's post this afternoon. He is rather clearly off his rocker. But he did have one good point:

Oh, and by the way; true nationalists don't kill children of their own nation, even if someone tries to brainwash them, like AUF did. They were not (yet) Marxist extremists; they were just children.

 

[nailz]

Well, at least there's that. I'm guessing Norway doesn't have a death penalty. How is your prison system? Would he be put in solitary or are your prisoners not prone to shank eachother like ours?

Since I doubt their prisons are privately owned money grinders designed to operate at maximum capacity for maximum profit, I doubt it's anything like the USA's rape-and-murder houses.

Not that I'm opinionated. I just don't think jails should be operated on a for-profit basis.

 

[Pellaz]

I saw a report earlier that he WILL be kept in solitary, no doubt for his own safety while in prison. Even hardened (or in Norway's case, softened) criminals would give a multiple child-murderer the hairy eyeball.

 

[nailz]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20083025-83/anonymous-lashes-out-at-norway-massacre-suspect/

This is fantastic. I <3 Anonymous.

 

[St Enigma]

The sane Norwegian response to the insane terrorist attack:

So if there is no road back to how things used to be, to the naïve fearlessness of what was untouched, there is a road forward. To be brave. To keep on as before. To turn the other cheek as we ask: &#8220;Is that all you&#8217;ve got?&#8221; To refuse to let fear change the way we build our society.

- Jo Nesbø, author



NY Times published Jul 26. the essay "The Past Is a Foreign Country" by Jo Nesbø in which he describes the attitude of Norwegians after the bombing and massacre that happened Jul 22. in Oslo city and on the Utøya island 15 miles from Oslo. Read it *here*


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[AngraRULES]

Great op-ed piece. Thanks for sharing that!

 

[J-Dubya 777]

Cool article.......thanks for the link

 

[jaimek]

The sane Norwegian response to the insane terrorist attack:

So if there is no road back to how things used to be, to the naïve fearlessness of what was untouched, there is a road forward. To be brave. To keep on as before. To turn the other cheek as we ask: “Is that all you’ve got?” To refuse to let fear change the way we build our society.

- Jo Nesbø, author



NY Times published Jul 26. the essay "The Past Is a Foreign Country" by Jo Nesbø in which he describes the attitude of Norwegians after the bombing and massacre that happened Jul 22. in Oslo city and on the Utøya island 15 miles from Oslo. Read it *here*


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He's one of the major writers of Scandinavian crime fiction, kinda got overshadowed by Stieg Larsson, but still one of their best-sellers. Both authors wrote about and did a lot of research into underground white power groups willing to kill for their beliefs.