Batman: The Dark Knight Rises and other misc. Nolan's Batman Thread

first
movie ticket prices go up every single fucking year, so it only broke records in terms of dollars made, not in terms of how many people showed up to see the movie

second
i know i'll get flamed for this, but i seriously believe that the mass-shooting did not actually decrease the number of people that saw the movie, at all

Irrational fanboy mode operating at full capacity guys.
 
did you read the 2nd link i posted??

If you're referring to the "Top 11 things that didnt' work...." article = no. I didn't... I understand there are those out there that seek a purity of sorts when stories they love are told on the big screen. And those that no matter what a director/ actor/ writer does with a story, they'll rip it to shreds and 'yeah but that is NOT what happened in the comic/ book...'

Thankfully, I'm a person that can enjoy things for what they are... Like movies, suspending my belief system for a bit.. .Like for a rich guy that dresses up in black mask to rid his beloved city of crime - yeah like THAT would ever happen.... :D
 
I didn't read either link you posted because of your vehement hate for the movie/franchise. I assumed the links also followed your opinion, which I do not share, and thus, have no desire to waste my time reading them.

that's just lazy
i mean, i know i'm going to hell for sloth
but is everyone else just as lazy as i am??
seriously?!
 
If you're referring to the "Top 11 things that didnt' work...." article = no. I didn't... I understand there are those out there that seek a purity of sorts when stories they love are told on the big screen. And those that no matter what a director/ actor/ writer does with a story, they'll rip it to shreds and 'yeah but that is NOT what happened in the comic/ book...'

Thankfully, I'm a person that can enjoy things for what they are... Like movies, suspending my belief system for a bit.. .Like for a rich guy that dresses up in black mask to rid his beloved city of crime - yeah like THAT would ever happen.... :D

every time "pre-existing source material" gets made into a movie
there's always tons of hard-core-fan-boys bitching-all-to-hell about how
"this new movie contradicts the source material, Blasphemy!!!"

i'm trying not to be like that
for me personally, there are a lot of movies that i actually thought were actually better than the source material

Hunger Games, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Blade Trilogy, Watchmen, Wizard of OZ

and that's just what i can think of off the top of my head, i might be able to think of more later, i'm not being the fan-boy bitching about how the movie "contradicted the source material"

i have a bat-symbol tattoo on my left upper arm but i'm not saying the movie sucked because "it contradicted my favorite comic"
i'm saying that The Dark Knight Rises totally sucked because Christopher Nolan made a bad movie

if Nolan was trying to make a good movie, he could have contradicted the source material in a way that actually looked awesome, like Ghost Rider's origin story looks better in the movie than the way it did in the comic, or like what Gary Ross just did with the Hunger Games movie, the Hunger Games movie was totally crammed with tons of stuff that contradicted the book, but it still looked good
i would even say that the Hunger Games movie was actually a hell of a lot better than the book

Christopher Nolan could have done the same for The Dark Knight Rises, except he wasn't trying to make a "good movie", he was making a "sequel to a good movie"
and there really is a difference, a huge difference,

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/fe...didnt-work-in-the-dark-knight-rises-rfure.php

actually read through the entire damn link before you accuse me of being a "fan-boy"
 
for me personally, there are a lot of movies that i actually thought were actually better than the source material

Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Watchmen,
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You're entitled to your opinion, but so am I to mine...

>thinking Ghost Rider and Daredevil were good movies, let alone better than the comics

>thinking Watchmen was better than the book

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You're entitled to your opinion, but so am I to mine...

>thinking Ghost Rider and Daredevil were good movies, let alone better than the comics

>thinking Watchmen was better than the book

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the only thing that made Ghost Rider and Daredevil bad was the casting

Nicholas Cage would have been fucking awesome playing Johnny Blaze's Dad
Johnny Blaze and Matt Murdoch should have both been played by unknowns
and if some one had told me "Ben Afleck has to be in the daredevil movie" i would have casted Afleck as Foggy Nelson

aside from the casting Ghost Rider and Daredevil were awesome
and Ghost Rider's origin story in the movie had to be changed to make the movie makes sense to someone that's never read the Ghost Rider comic, when i saw Ghost Rider, i took a girl with me who had never read a single superhero comic in their entire life and this girl absolutely loved both the Ghost Rider movie and the Daredevil movie

as for the Watchmen, everyone kept bitching about how it "contradicted the comic" but it didn't even really contradict the comic as much as Ghost Rider or Daredevil
but no one really remembers how freaking long it is
if you'd just used the "comic-as-a-script", you would have ended up with a movie that would have been 6 hours long

most of the crap that "contradicts" the book was really just "editing" to get the movie shortened down to a length that could be shown in theaters
as for the rest
Dr Manhattan's dialogue in the book was the worst superhero dialogue I've ever seen, and the movie fixed Dr Manhattan's dialogue
in the book it looks like Dan and Laurie are having sex at the moment Rorschach dies and to me that never made sense, but in the movie, Dan sees Rorschach die, and freaks the fuck out, and it was awesome, it shows that Dan understands that Manhattan is totally out to lunch, and when Manhattan vaporizes Rorschach, Dan blames Veidt, and totally looses it, the scene at the begining where Rorschach is talking to Veidt is in the movie changed to Dan Drieberg talking to Viedt as a set up for the end scene where Dan is beating the shit out of Veidt's face right after Rorschach dies, in the movie, Dan Drieberg is a much more 3-dimensional character than he is in the book
 
As for "Watchmen", I think the problem is that they made it into one single movie. It should have been at least two movies imo. It was obvious to me they just tried to cram too much and didn't have enough time to make a credible movie. That's my take on it anyways.
 
As for "Watchmen", I think the problem is that they made it into one single movie. It should have been at least two movies imo. It was obvious to me they just tried to cram too much and didn't have enough time to make a credible movie. That's my take on it anyways.

if they had just "used the comic as a script" they might have even had enough film to cut it into 3 movies instead of just 2
that's how freaking long the fucking book is

for me personally, i would have considered just "using the comic as a script" filming the entire book, and any editing/alternate scenes/extra scenes to be filmed after that

the studio wasn't going to cut it into multiple movies like Peter Jackson's LOTR, because it just wasn't popular enough

if they would have just 'used the comic as a script" they definately would have had enough film to make it into an HBO mini-series

but having said all that
i like the changes, when Rorschach escapes prison, in the book, laurie and dan see him without his mask, and he's got to go get his "spare face" from inside his apartment, where he has a confrontation with his female landlord, in the movie, this is changed to him getting his mask back from Malcolm Long and it's done in a way that looks awesome
also
Dr Manhattan's dialogue is horrible in the book and fixed in the movie, mentioning the nuclear war in the very first Dr Manhattan scene allowing for editing out the extraneous characters that are reading newspapers

Dan Drieberg being friends with Viedt and going nuts at the end, is done well, it makes Drieberg look like a much more well developed character than he is in the book

Rorschach killing the kidnapper is done differently in the movie, i like the movie version of the killing better

the only things in the movie that were edited out were the extraneous characters, Manhattan mentions "nuclear war" early enough that we don't need to see people reading news papers, hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis being a couple, and Silhouette being a lesbian are shown, but the modern-day lesbian couple are edited out, becuase it was a movie, not a mini-series,

in the book, Malcolm Long's black wife has white friends and is totally afraid of other black people, in the movie Malcolm's wife, her white friends, the specific black guy that Mrs Long is afraid of, and the white guy that she wrongfully accuses of being a white supremacist, are completely edited out, because it was a movie, not a mini-series

in the book, Sally Jupiter doesn't have a normally functioning sex drive, when straight men think she's "sexy" she interprets this as men thinking she's "beautiful" (like during Eddie Blake's funeral where Sally and Laurie are arguing about the "Mexican porno comic" that has Sally in it) but when lesbians think she's sexy, she gets freaked out, because she knows nothing about dildos or cunnilingus and doesn't understand how "sex" happens "without a penis" Sally loves hanging out with gay men because they won't try to have sex with her, when Sally becomes a celebrity she "publicly dates" the male celebrities that are "in the closet"
she's already married to her manager when she gets pregnant with Laurie, in the movie, Sally's husband knows that Eddie Blake is the father of his wife's kid and he's pissed about it, in the book Sally's husband never has sex with Sally because he's gay, but Sally's husband being gay isn't mentioned in the movie
in the movie Laurie figures out that Eddie Blake is her biological father and the audience is kinda wondering why Sally would let Eddie have sex with her exactly 5 years after Eddie tried to rape her
in the comic, when Laurie figures out that Eddie Blake is her biological father, the audience realizes that Eddie and Sally were really close friends before he tried to rape her, Sally has no sex drive, and that the day Laurie was conceived was the one-and-only-time that Sally Jupiter has ever had a penis inside her vagina, Sally's lack of sex drive is the real reason she has a problem with Laurie dating Manhattan, but when Manhattan leaves earth for the final time, and Laurie's dating Dan Drieberg, Sally's okay with it because she has a kind of epiphany moment where she realizes she's abnormal, and she realizes that a normal woman has a sex drive just as strong as a man's

all of this is edited out of the movie, because it was a movie, not a mini-series, the edits were really just for time

except the squid at the end being changed to a bomb
the squid at the end of the comic was consistent with what was going on in superhero comics at the time the Watchmen comic was written
but the squid was changed to a bomb at the end of the movie, so that the movie would make sense to the people that haven't read the superhero comics that were written in the first half of the 1980's
even if it were a mini-series instead of a movie, i think i would have preferred the bomb instead of the squid