Obama's Inauguration /Good Riddance "W"

[James Murphy]

JamesI dont like that you argue gun laws don't affect criminals, they do. In america it is comparitivly easier to get a gun than in the UK. Petty criminals have guns therefore even petty crime is more dangerous. In the UK petty criminals have knives. Knives are arguably less dangerous then guns. Therefore petty crime is less dangerous in the UK. It's logical, yet an admitably not 100% sound argument.

Joe

so a stab wound is ok? repeating myself here, but i think i added this quote with an edit, after your post:
"what comes out of victim's wounds when they get stabbed in germany? rainbows?"

and anyway most petty criminals here in the US are NOT armed with handguns... so you're off base there.

petty criminals generally don't have weapons at all here.

and again, should i be relegated to defending myself against a knife-armed criminal that has me cornered with just a knife myself?? sorry, i reserve the right to shoot a knife attacker dead before he can get within striking distance of me.

to be clear though, let me again state that i don't think i'll ever be in such a situation, odds are that i won't be. if the odds ever tilt out of my favor though, i'll be prepared... at least i will be in my own home, and my own country/state... and if they never do, i'll have had a lifetime of fun at the target range, once a month or so.

 

[James Murphy]

No, it IS the tool. If he had a gun he would be dead. He isn't because he doesn't have a gun or have access to one. He had a second chance because he tried to use something else (pills).

Joe

ok... so let me be get this straight... my ability to defend myself should be curtailed because there are people in the world that might use the same tool to kill themselves? the holes in that logic are so numerous that it may kill me just to try to type them all.... BLAM!!! •shoots keyboard*

 

[SocialNumb]

bah, I'm keeping my guns. Never know what might happen.

 

[SocialNumb]

Quoting this from another forum. "He (Obama) just announced he’s cutting the pay of all of his executive staff and appointments, including press secretary and intelligence appointments, and something about he signed an executive order making it illegal for government officials to recieve gifts or money from lobbyists."

Anyone hear about this?

 

[Metaltastic]

That's a good thing, right?

 

[Joematthews]

so a stab wound is ok? repeating myself here, but i think i added this quote with an edit, after your post:
"what comes out of victim's wounds when they get stabbed in germany? rainbows?"

and anyway most petty criminals here in the US are NOT armed with handguns... so you're off base there.

petty criminals generally don't have weapons at all here.

and again, should i be relegated to defending myself against a knife-armed criminal that has me cornered with just a knife myself?? sorry, i reserve the right to shoot a knife attacker dead before he can get within striking distance of me.

to be clear though, let me again state that i don't think i'll ever be in such a situation, odds are that i won't be. if the odds ever tilt out of my favor though, i'll be prepared... at least i will be in my own home, and my own country/state... and if they never do, i'll have had a lifetime of fun at the target range, once a month or so.

Someone approaches you with a knife. They want something. Your money or your phone for example. If you give them what they want they don't harm you and both of you run away. You go to the police, and tell them what the person who mugged you looked like and everything about them, although I can't pretend that they will find who it is, chances are they will not.

You don't shoot them. They don't harm you except taking your money. What if they are stealing to provide for their family? There life is worth more than the contents of your wallet.

Shooting someone is not the best option, crime is not random, people commit crime because they are greedy, not because they are evil.

Also, I know my petty criminals carry guns and knives argument was hideously exagerated, but it applies to both sides of the atlantic, not all petty criminals have knives or guns, I know that full well.

Joe

 

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BLAM!!! •shoots keyboard*

cheaper than TV´s

 

[TalesOfTerror]

I'm just glad "W" is no longer Pres. cause now I can read the news with images turned on.
How I despise that fuckin' disdainful smirk.

 

[K Odell]

What if they are stealing to provide for their family? There life is worth more than the contents of your wallet.

This hardly ever applies to the situation though. By no means am I taking sides really, but in most cases criminals are a "what you see is what you get" type of deal. A low life who is out to harm someone in some way. And to be honest even if all they take is my money or jewelry, then that fucking sucks and we have no need for people like that in this world.

 

[Skinny Viking]

i refuse to be a helpless victim, be it from gun/knife/wooden-club or any other type of physical attack.

How about from a bad fart in a locked control room?

 

[SocialNumb]

Someone approaches you with a knife. They want something. Your money or your phone for example. If you give them what they want they don't harm you and both of you run away. You go to the police, and tell them what the person who mugged you looked like and everything about them, although I can't pretend that they will find who it is, chances are they will not.

You don't shoot them. They don't harm you except taking your money. What if they are stealing to provide for their family? There life is worth more than the contents of your wallet.

Shooting someone is not the best option, crime is not random, people commit crime because they are greedy, not because they are evil.

Also, I know my petty criminals carry guns and knives argument was hideously exagerated, but it applies to both sides of the atlantic, not all petty criminals have knives or guns, I know that full well.

Joe

IDK dude. My wallet tends to have a shit load of money in it. Unavoidable because the nature of my business. I'm not willing to give it to some scum bastard thats trying to rob me . I don't care what his reasons are. Besides, I don't have to kill him. Just stop him.

 

[Joematthews]

This hardly ever applies to the situation though. By no means am I taking sides really, but in most cases criminals are a "what you see is what you get" type of deal. A low life who is out to harm someone in some way. And to be honest even if all they take is my money or jewelry, then that fucking sucks and we have no need for people like that in this world.

Nah, I have more faith in people than that, they make mistakes and don't deserve to die because of it.

Joe

 

[Skinny Viking]

What if they are stealing to provide for their family? There life is worth more than the contents of your wallet.

FUCK THAT

What if the money they took was what I had to provide for MY family?

Oh just for the record, I was shot at 6 times ... doesn't shy me away from saying people should have the right to own a gun. If things were done properly on the front end, the people who shouldn't own guns WOULDN'T own them. Its things like background checks, etc ... that need to be improved

of course I should add that this wouldn't solve all problems ... people will always find a way to do things or get things they are not supposed to. That being the case, at least it balances things if the "average good guy" has access to the same tools as the "average bad guy"

 

[James Murphy]

Someone approaches you with a knife. They want something. Your money or your phone for example. If you give them what they want they don't harm you and both of you run away. You go to the police, and tell them what the person who mugged you looked like and everything about them, although I can't pretend that they will find who it is, chances are they will not.

You don't shoot them. They don't harm you except taking your money. What if they are stealing to provide for their family? There life is worth more than the contents of your wallet.

Shooting someone is not the best option, crime is not random, people commit crime because they are greedy, not because they are evil.

Also, I know my petty criminals carry guns and knives argument was hideously exagerated, but it applies to both sides of the atlantic, not all petty criminals have knives or guns, I know that full well.

Joe

do you really buy this stuff? do you have any idea how many people are stabbed even after they willingly give up their wallets? and if it's even 1%, i will not take the chance to be that unlucky guy. will you?

well that's your choice.

and what if that same criminal that you let go with your wallet, finds a pic of your girlfriend in it with her phone number on the back... and uses it to find her address with reverse number look-up.... and pays her a nighttime visit.

will you still feel so great about your choice?

for the record, i wouldn't automatically shoot anyone, not even a mugger... i would draw down on the knife-wielder, and if he turned and ran i would certainly not shoot him, even if i wouldn't go to jail for it though i surely would.. but if he attacked, it'd be all over.

bottom line, if someone uses a weapon to threaten an innocent life, they are taking their lives into their own hands, and have to live (or die) with the consequences.

 

[K Odell]

Nah, I have more faith in people than that, they make mistakes and don't deserve to die because of it.

Joe

You are a way more forgiving man than I am then. And to add, I was in your shoes once and believed that even the most evil of people could be changed. I once worked for The Salvation Army and tried to help people out all the time. Until this one guy came along. He had served time for beating a woman, covering her in gasoline, and was going to burn her alive but his lighter wouldn't work. Anyways skip forward, I thought he had changed, until one day at work he flipped and threatened my life with a hammer (I guess hammers should also be taken away). With a normal guy I could generally defend myself, but this guy was 6'5" and atleast 350lbs. So I was not about to push the limits with that guy. Especially considering his past. Needless to say the guy is in prison and I am no where near as forgiving as I used to be.

 

[Metaltastic]

IDK dude. My wallet tends to have a shit load of money in it. Unavoidable because the nature of my business.

Drug-dealer?

 

[Joematthews]

do you really buy this stuff? do you have any idea how many people are stabbed even after they willingly give up their wallets? and if it's even 1%, i will not take the chance to be that unlucky guy. will you?

I will, thats why we should probably stop debating. As I recall we have discussed this before and I'm not doing anyone any favours by voicing my arguments it seems. Although it is awesome that we can discuss an obviously strong topic like this without people insulting each other and being childish

Joe

 

[SocialNumb]

Drug-dealer?

No dude.

 

[K Odell]

No dude.

psssht liar......I call bullshit haha kidding of course.:Smokin:

 

[SocialNumb]

I rent limos out. Lot of cash involved. I do try and get them to use CC but thats not always an option.