I believe we should pull out and bomb it into non existance.
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Buzzard said:I believe we should pull out and bomb it into non existance.
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Cryptkeeper said:The terrorists just kidnapped another British hostage, and they will probally kill her, just like they killed Ken Bigly. Fuck the entire Middle East! That place has been unstable for so many years it's not even funny!
Ive been saying that since this shit startedBuzzard said:I believe we should pull out and bomb it into non existance.
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And what about all of the people here in the united state that have fallen at the hands of terrorists.Pyrus said:Do you guys even realize what you're saying? For fuck's sake, there are millions of innocent people there who want nothing more than to live their lives without intereference from Americans, terrorists, or anything like that.
IRAQ IS NOT OUR ENEMY. MUSLIMS ARE NOT OUR ENEMY. Our enemy in this "war" is terrorism, and terrorism can't be defeated by just massacring people, because all that does is breed more terrorists. OPEN YOUR EYES, DAMNIT.
then who is? As hard as the US was riding the UNs ass with the sanctions and wepon inspectors and all that other bullshit, you dont think Saddam was pissed about that shit?what was stopping him from selling, or hell,even giving chemical weapons to some terrorist. We know he had them, he used them on Iran.If you think he gave up all that shit up you are a little more trusting than I am.pyrus said:IRAQ IS NOT OUR ENEMY. MUSLIMS ARE NOT OUR ENEMY.
My eyes are open dude, You know what I have seen?pyrus said:OPEN YOUR EYES, DAMNIT
...dude, once again, listen to yourself. You say they have no fear of dying, and then you say killing them will make them fear us. THAT WILL DO NOTHING. For every terrrorist we'll kill ten innocents, and the children of those innocents will grow up hating America and become terrorists.old school headbanger said:And what about all of the people here in the united state that have fallen at the hands of terrorists.
since the late 70`s they have been killing the innocent people of this world and all those innocent muslims you talk about harbor and support these terrorist fucks..........so how do we stop it? we stop it by making these fucks fear us. because that is the problem, they have no fear of dying.
First of all, our enemy is not the fucking people of Iraq. Saddam Hussein is in capitivity. We do not have one monolithic Evil Arab Enemy; there are dozens of different factions, as likely to be at odds with each other as working together. SADDAM HUSSEIN DOES NOT = AL QAEDA. It's pretty fucking clear.then who is? As hard as the US was riding the UNs ass with the sanctions and wepon inspectors and all that other bullshit, you dont think Saddam was pissed about that shit?what was stopping him from selling, or hell,even giving chemical weapons to some terrorist. We know he had them, he used them on Iran.If you think he gave up all that shit up you are a little more trusting than I am.
Will killing innocent families bring back the 9/11 victims? Will carpet-bombing Tikrit put Nick Berg's head back on his shoulders? Will murdering children put the USS Cole back together?My eyes are open dude, You know what I have seen?
I have seen freinds who have broke down in sorrow because they lost family on 9/11 .
I have seen videos on the internet of innocent people who were there to help rebuild Iraq, getting there fucking heads cut off only because they were Westerners.
I have seen numerous planes Hijacked, blown up.
Let's try addressing the root causes. Figure out why we are hated and what we can do to stop it. We can't stop everyone from hating us, but we can do what we can to ensure that no new terrorists are created by our actions.What do we do with these fucks? what are we supposed to do? leave them alone?
Buzzard said:I believe we should pull out and bomb it into non existance.
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Come on dude......It is thinking like that that got us in to a situation like this.........They (muslim terrorists)teach there children to hate us from the time they start school, if they even go to school,as well as teach them that killing them selves in the name of god is a glorious thing regardless if we kill them or not, because these people have been doing this Jihad shitfor centurys,not years.I would have thought you being of the jewish faith would understand this...........Pyrus said:...dude, once again, listen to yourself. You say they have no fear of dying, and then you say killing them will make them fear us. THAT WILL DO NOTHING. For every terrrorist we'll kill ten innocents, and the children of those innocents will grow up hating America and become terrorists .
One of the reasons we deicided to invade Iraq was to get Saddam out of power becausePyrus said:First of all, our enemy is not the fucking people of Iraq. Saddam Hussein is in capitivity. We do not have one monolithic Evil Arab Enemy; there are dozens of different factions, as likely to be at odds with each other as working together. SADDAM HUSSEIN DOES NOT = AL QAEDA. It's pretty fucking clear.
And bear in mind that NO, count them, ZERO WMDs have been found. They simply aren't there, and we've been tearing the country apart looking for them for a year.
Will killing innocent families bring back the 9/11 victims? Will carpet-bombing Tikrit put Nick Berg's head back on his shoulders? Will murdering children put the USS Cole back together?
This last quote tells me exactly what I ,and all the other "Haters" here on the board have been saying.Liberals dont understand the real threat. the root cause is that they dont want the westernization of the middle east , they dont want christianity,they want to be independent of the whole world yet their goverments cant do it by themselves, and they want badly to go to Isreal kill all the jews, and take back the motherland from the infidels...............now what is your plan to to fix all this shit?Pyrus said:Let's try addressing the root causes. Figure out why we are hated and what we can do to stop it. We can't stop everyone from hating us, but we can do what we can to ensure that no new terrorists are created by our actions.
I'm curiousyou keep using this "they." Who is the "they"? First "they" = terrorists, then "they" = Muslims, then "they" = the entire population of the middle east.
Pyrus said:Do you guys even realize what you're saying? For fuck's sake, there are millions of innocent people there who want nothing more than to live their lives without intereference from Americans, terrorists, or anything like that.
Pyrus said:IRAQ IS NOT OUR ENEMY. MUSLIMS ARE NOT OUR ENEMY. Our enemy in this "war" is terrorism, and terrorism can't be defeated by just massacring people, because all that does is breed more terrorists. OPEN YOUR EYES, DAMNIT.
Pyrus said:Let's try addressing the root causes. Figure out why we are hated and what we can do to stop it. We can't stop everyone from hating us, but we can do what we can to ensure that no new terrorists are created by our actions.
Well said guitarmaster, well said........................Guitarmaster said:Yeah there are millions. 27 million to be exact. Each living their daily lives in fear and insecurity, as they had a barbaric sociopath at the head of a gruesome regime. Why hell, they couldn't forget the constant dangers they lived in ... his pictures were all over the place as a reminder of under who's dominion they were bound to.
Since 1979 he has been a great threat to the Iraqi people and countries that neighbored him. Hundreds of thousands of innocents (that you continue to cry about) died by his hand. The psycho himself, has had at least 40 of his relatives murdered. The women lived continuously with great fear and intimidation. Women were beheaded to set an example.
He did possess chemical weapons. Plenty of them, it's documented. Chemical attacks were performed by the regime from 83' to 88', causing at least 30,000 deaths of people of Iraq and Iran. Anyone with any knowledge is aware of this.
Tony Blair said, himself, about a year ago somewhere along the lines that 400,000 Iraqi children died under the age of five from malnutrition and disease. All of this preventable, however due to the nature of Hussein's rule, sufficient treatment was hindered. In fact, if you are aware of anything at all, since the invasion of Iraq plenty of warehouses have been found concealing proper food supplies for the people. Why were they hidden from the citizens? Well, those nutritious foods were kept only for the regime forces.
This invasion of Iraq has been the best thing to happen to these people in a long time. In fact, it was long overdue. Some Iraqi citizens have complained about the Coalition Forces, but the vast majority (with sense) have praised our actions.
Notices that it is titled "The War on Terrorism", this also applies to any that may be involved with the terrorists. I've said it before, Hussein had ties with the terrorists on 9/11, he provided them the funding for the training. Bin Laden was seen shortly after the devastating blow to our nation on Al-Jazeera television, praising Hussein for his aid. You won't find this on CNN.
Iraq's leaders were involved with terrorism therefore they are our, no ... the world's enemies. Notice I said "Iraq's leaders" ... you're right, Iraq is not our enemy, their sick regime was.
The majority of Muslims are not our enemy. Yet that majority does not live word by word of what the Quran teaches. Most do not even read the Quran but were merely brought up as children to live by some of the disciplined principles that it implies. They neglect the countless pages that contain hate-filled scriptures. The "Muslim Radicals" as some choose to call them, which live truly by what their religion teaches, are the enemies. And if I recall correctly there are supposedly 150 million of them, who hate those they cannot convert. They hate christians and more than anything Israel. The "true" muslims are our enemies.
I've already briefly explained the "root causes". Figure out why we are so hated? Liberals are clueless. First, we're Americans, we are a free country. Second, America was founded on Godly principles which amounts to dedicated christianity. Yes, to you or any other liberal who tries to twist the history textbooks in school these days by saying George Washington, and a large amount of others in that era were not christians is complete and utter nonsense. This country is (leaning towards "was") a christian-based country. True muslims hate christians, the Quran commands to slaughter them. And third, and probably the most significant, is the fact that we support Israel, we are their friends. True Muslims absolutely hate Israel and anyone that has an alliance with them.
Israel is the one reason why you hate to say "all of the Middle-east is bad", they're like the one good egg in a box of rotten ones.
You're right we can't stop everyone from hating us, in fact we can't help the fact that they always will. Reasoning with the hate-filled individuals is useless. Giving them what they want will not lessen the hatred toward our country, it will merely leave us vulnerable to another dreadful attack. Try to ensure that no new terrorists are created by our actions? Actually, there's plenty more "new terrorists" being created every single day anyway due to their circumstances, and bonds with relatives that are terrorists whether we are there in Iraq or not. So, our present actions are causing no more than what hatred that has already been kindled since the beginning. I believe you're the one needing to open your eyes. Our eyes are peeled.
Now to address the title of this thread. I am reluctant when it comes to bombing Iraq, and I believe it should be a last resort. I know they've pushed us and some have certainly shown that they do not desire any aid. And there have been some ridiculous incidents since the time we have been there.
While a decent amount that makes up the population are nothing short of "evil" people, bombing Iraq is not the correct option ... yet. I hope that it never comes down to it and I don't believe it will. We are there to rebuild a region that was corrupted by a sociopath, and rife with danger.
And trust me guys, I'm not being "soft" here ... though I believe that it is an option that should truly be set aside, only to be aroused if we are provoked to concluding that it would be the only solution. Thankfully, I don't think it will be.
I'll continue on later.