Opeth Multi-channel music

UnicronI

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Having heard the 'deadwing' and 'in absentina' DVD-A disk I REALY wanting to hear similar treatment done to some Opeth albums! If you coudl choose, which album would you have made in either DVD-A or SACD format!

I go for Damnation!
 
What's the main difference between a SACD and a normal CD? I know that the Dark Side On The Moon disc that I have is a SACD but I can't hear any difference to a normal disc.
 
price :lol:

i can't be bothered to buy a SACD player and SACDs. truly they do sound better on a good system, but i personally don't care that much. i buy music for the songs, not the production quality, as long as it's passable.
 
SACDs diffrence is'nt as apprent as DVD-As! espcially if it is DTS! Watch Lamentations in stereo then in DTS.......huge diffrence!
 
it would be enjoyable. I think i'd want to hear BWP in 5.1. If you've got a 5.1 system and a reciever with something like Dolby Pro Logic II, spend some time with the settings. You'll be able to tweak very convincing surround sound imaging using the stereo disc. Sure, not as good as "true" 5.1, but much much nicer than regular stereo. Especially for ambient music.
 
UnicronI said:
SACDs diffrence is'nt as apprent as DVD-As! espcially if it is DTS! Watch Lamentations in stereo then in DTS.......huge diffrence!
The difference is that when I choose DTS, the sound is completely silent. LOL
 
That's because either your DVD player isn't set up to run DTS or your DVD player is too outdated to be able to play DTS.
 
I don't care about higher resolution stereo.

It's the 5.1 mix I dig.

Still Life, hands down.

There was a rumor a year ago that Peaceville was gonna put one out, nothing happened.
 
Still Life or Ghost Reveries would be great in surround sound versions. Doesn't help me much though because I don't have a surround system. Since most audio releases these days are still in stereo I shelled out for a nice 2-speaker system. But I suppose there's nothing stopping me from grabbing another 3 down the track.
 
I don't think one can really say SACD isn't as good DVD-Audio unless they've heard the same album on both formats...

While I support hi-fi releases, I'm not really a big fan of music in 5.1 Surround as there really isn't much you can really do with "normal" music without it making it strange.

See with say DSOTM I could picture the helicopters flying around you, or a weird noise going from a front speaker to a rear. But beyond sound effects or maybe some reverb (or crowd if it's live) there's not much use for the rear speakers in my opinion.

Many times the center speaker isn't even used in music because they're afraid of people sampling it.

Once I listened to a 5.1 mix where every beat the snare layed out of a different speaker. It was the most annoying thing ever.
 
Yeah, as with all new things, people do silly things with it. You know how when stereo first came about, some idiots at the label decided to pan the drums and bass to one side and the guitar vocal to the other on one of the beatles albums (abbey road?).

I see great potential with 5.1 and music though. I'm an advocate of big spacey environments and musical movements that evoke emotion in whatever way possible... prefferably in non-standard ways. I think Mumble can relate here and I think 5.1 music really helps further our enjoyment of it.
 
Kenneth R. said:
price :lol:

i can't be bothered to buy a SACD player and SACDs. truly they do sound better on a good system, but i personally don't care that much.

Thanks for the info. :)

Moonlapse said:
Yeah, as with all new things, people do silly things with it. You know how when stereo first came about, some idiots at the label decided to pan the drums and bass to one side and the guitar vocal to the other on one of the beatles albums (abbey road?).

It's Sgt. Pepper's. ;)
 
To me, it's about giving instruments the room to breathe. One of the major problems with 2 channel recordings is frequency masking. If two instruments produce sounds at similar frequencies, the louder one wins. This can make instruments sound thin. Decent engineers will compensate for this with "subtractive EQ". In other words, notch frequencies out of a louder instrument, say guitar, that coincide with a different one, like vocals. A little goes a long way. The other way is, of course, to pan the instruments to different speakers. With 5 discrete channels, you can avoid that problem even more. The center isn't a psychoacoustic effect (where equal levels from left and right make it appear that the sound is localized in the center of the listening field). It IS a center channel. I know the guy who mixed the movie Blade (and Dead Presidents, Barb Wire, etc.), and he said that music producers were always impressed by how good their tracks sounded in his movies. His answer was that it was all about localization: each instrument had room to breathe.

The folly is, of course, the ping-pongy thing that quad sound did in the 70's.
 
Deadwing and In Absentia (for me) are benchmark discs in the DVD-Audio format and showcase exactly what can be done. The respective CD versions sounded superb anyway (we all know how good a producer Steven Wilson is) but the DVD-A's just blew them out of the water with the power, clarity and expanse of the sound that was created. It's a shame it's still such a niche market because there is massive potential there for sure. Still Life, BWP or Ghost Reveries (done well) in 5.1 would be stunning!!

:OMG:
 
Dark_Karma said:
Deadwing and In Absentia (for me) are benchmark discs in the DVD-Audio format and showcase exactly what can be done. The respective CD versions sounded superb anyway (we all know how good a producer Steven Wilson is) but the DVD-A's just blew them out of the water with the power, clarity and expanse of the sound that was created. It's a shame it's still such a niche market because there is massive potential there for sure. Still Life, BWP or Ghost Reveries (done well) in 5.1 would be stunning!!

:OMG:
Agreed. Any band that creates an atmosphere would benefit from a 5.1 mix.