Paganism's affect on the state of Black Metal

Reign in Acai

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In an interview with the French BM band Malhkebre which was printed in Oakenthrone's zine, the guitarist Armrek makes what I find to be an off the wall claim. This is the first time I have seen any one express the sentiment that paganistic ideologies being incorporated in to bm have a deleterious bearing on the genre. This Armo fellow goes on to state, Black Metal has indeed lost much of its aura; let's say after year 1995 when it achieved a much more widespread popularity. Yet it is rather due to the fact that those newcomers joined the movement in a purely musical prospect, which led the way for a plethora of bands and fans that disregarded, and did not perceive, the intense devotion to the evil one...blah blah". He continues, "Still, I sincerely believe things would be better provided that everyone utterly reject the pagan, nationalist scene, boycott the gigs with such shitty bands..."

I honestly can not take musicians who express such a devotion to this dark deity any more serious as I can a negar who claims he's going to seek employment. The current state of black metal is not in peril due to the incorporation of such themes. Nokturnal Mortum's message is no less genuine than yours because they decided to add a jews harp to the music. The reason why BM is in the gutter, being blasted by 19 year old bints from New Jersey who dawn corpse paint to bake cookies, and then post said pictures of the event on myspace to impress fellow trendsters who think their evil by refusing to attend church with their parents, is due to the stagnating bm philosophy that hails Satan as the dark master from the realm below. Marilyn Manson's music for instance conveys the same message. As disingenuine as it may be, it hits the same target audience of angst filled teens who need something of shock value to lash out at the mother and father who forgot to attend their H.S play. I speak for myself when I say that I find such satanic imagery as laughable as 50 cent rapping about putting a hit out on Kanye. Hey at least this is a claim that can actually be attained on this spiritual plane. I want to listen to bands who present something more than the cookie cutter carbon copy been there done that a million times cliche. I live the life of an average joe, I could give a fuck about this staying true to origin bullshit.


Sure, you worship Satan, right in between your shift at Wal-mart and picking up a box of tampons for your girlfriend Orphelia.
 
Pagan/Nationalist bands are just replacing one religion for another. Instead of embracing the individualism of LaVeyan Satanism and incorporating true Satanic imagery to subvert the religious panderings of the fundamentalist strongholds of the world, these bands are finding a new system to follow. A new machine in which to be just one more cog. A new god, a new way to subvert themselves. Instead of God, it's the nation, the people. Just one more person, one more follower. We need more leaders.
 
What struck a chord with me is that this Amtrak fellow is claiming that Black Metal's sole purpose is to exalt the High Priest Lucifer, while the actual composition takes a back seat as it retains no value.


Amtrak said:
]Yet it is rather due to the fact that those newcomers joined the movement in a purely musical prospect[/I]


If you're looking to promote your spiritual agenda, write a fucking book. Do not write music and not expect fans to enjoy it for the audiogenic aspects alone.
 
Pagan/Nationalist bands are just replacing one religion for another. Instead of embracing the individualism of LaVeyan Satanism and incorporating true Satanic imagery to subvert the religious panderings of the fundamentalist strongholds of the world, these bands are finding a new system to follow. A new machine in which to be just one more cog. A new god, a new way to subvert themselves. Instead of God, it's the nation, the people. Just one more person, one more follower. We need more leaders.

right on, and that's why I don't write "pagan" music anymore
 
Whatever happened to removing the political and religious stigmas from the music and just listening to it for what it is?
 
Sure, go ahead. But damn, some people take it so seriously they act like it's a Narcissistic insult.
 
Oakenthrone doesn't hold a candle to Convivial Hermit. Every interview in which I have read seems so synthetic. It's like picking up a WWF magazine and reading about Hulk Hogan valiantly defeating Yokozuna with a thunderous leg drop. These musicians can't get past their gimmicks for two seconds to discuss the music at hand. If they aren't putting up this grand dark facade for show, I truly feel sorry for their pitiful existence.

"I hate the world, I like to see everyone die, boo hoo".

Though, I'll continue to read through it in hopes of some intelligent view points.
 
Whatever happened to removing the political and religious stigmas from the music and just listening to it for what it is?

A large part of black metal is theme. Religious, Political etc. If you disregard that, you're throwing out a great amount of the substance.
 
Oakenthrone doesn't hold a candle to Convivial Hermit. Every interview in which I have read seems so synthetic. It's like picking up a WWF magazine and reading about Hulk Hogan valiantly defeating Yokozuna with a thunderous leg drop. These musicians can't get past their gimmicks for two seconds to discuss the music at hand. If they aren't putting up this grand dark facade for show, I truly feel sorry for their pitiful existence.

"I hate the world, I like to see everyone die, boo hoo".

Though, I'll continue to read through it in hopes of some intelligent view points.

Sorry I recommended it. I guess you won't be needing issue #2 :loco:.
 
It's actually really well written. It's the bands overtly high opinions of themselves that grates my nerves. Your life is no more significant than the emo kid who you scoffed at the record store. Get over yourselves.
 
Whatever happened to removing the political and religious stigmas from the music and just listening to it for what it is?
A large part of black metal is theme. Religious, Political etc. If you disregard that, you're throwing out a great amount of the substance.

So could they then go "my religion is Misantrophy" and call it a day and get back to making good music?

Satan is a creation of the christian church, if you believe in him, you're basically being christian or supporting their beliefs. Paganism I support more, when it stems from the power of nature beliefs, but i still find it all a gimmick.

Gimme "Fuck the sub-humans" (thats not any specific race, more referring to the sub-species that start or enjoy bands like firethorn, dirty chemist, or Tokyo Hotel).
 
So could they then go "my religion is Misantrophy" and call it a day and get back to making good music?

Satan is a creation of the christian church, if you believe in him, you're basically being christian or supporting their beliefs. Paganism I support more, when it stems from the power of nature beliefs, but i still find it all a gimmick.

Gimme "Fuck the sub-humans" (thats not any specific race, more referring to the sub-species that start or enjoy bands like firethorn, dirty chemist, or Tokyo Hotel).

That's kind of Satanism, broheim (LaVeyan, which is what I believe most bands doing the whole Satan thing are doing, although they still throw in the over the top Satan worship diatribe on top for impact).