Woah I'm away for a couple of days and this thing has exploded!! First I just wanna say thanks to Hawk & JD especially for understanding what I meant there and trying to stick up for me
Thanks!
USMC0341 - I just read your posts about why you don't like glam etc... Firstly just to respond to them, that's cool man everyone has their opinions and that's yours, though one thing I would say is not to generalise too much because there were glam bands who were just as musically competent as prog metal bands and pushed the envelope musically rather than or as well as visually (Nitro and Vinnie Vincent Invasion are 2 examples, look up info on guys like Michael Angelo, Bobby Rock, Vinnie Vincent, etc.)
But forget that coz thats not important really. Although I did defend KISS and state my personal reasons for loving them, you seem to have missed the entire point of my posts. I wasn't saying that you have to respect KISS themselves or respect glam... my point was to respect the FANS. That is ALL I was arguing (and thats also why I did my long post defending KISS, I didn't say that to make you respect KISS, I wrote it all so you could see where we are coming from and show us some respect).
The main point of the argument was THIS:
I don't appreciate being called the KISS Army Of Jackasses because that is disrespectful to fans who have every right to love the band. People can call KISS jackasses all they want, doesn't make a difference to me, but to call their fans the KISS Army Of Jackasses is wrong in my opinion. That is what I was arguing and that is what I said to show some respect about. Not to the band, but to the fans. Alot of metal fans have a superiority complex where they look down on fans of simpler music and that is what annoys me. You can look down on those bands if you wish but just because a person prefers to listen to something simpler doesn't mean they should be looked down upon.
Now I know that you personally even said that you don't think we are a bunch of jackasses and that's cool man. I wasn't flaming at you. The point of my long post defending KISS after that, just basically just saying not to judge them on a) the hits or b) only the makeup era because dudes like Vinnie Vincent, Eric Singer and Bruce Kulick ARE very talented musicians and as I said you don't get hired by KISS, Sabbath, Alice Cooper, Meatloaf, Lita Ford, Gary Moore, etc unless you are a top player. I wasn't saying you have to like them or even respect them, I was just trying to say to write them off completely as musicians just because Ace, Peter & Gene aren't great musicians because they are only 3 out of about 10 musicians KISS have had. Basically that's all I was trying to say man. You can bag the things you hate about KISS all you like and it doesn't bother me, but personally I try to make a habit of not bagging things I'm not really familiar with and I think anybody who has heard guys like Vinnie, Eric, Bruce and Mark St John play would agree that they are great musicians. That is all, I'm sorry man again that it came across so strong but I even said at the end of the post that I was drunk at the time which is why it came across rude.
And for the record I never attacked you or anybody in particular (except for the accidental reference to Hawk's "challenging" comment oops but he was cool about that and understood). Fuck, USMC0341 I don't even remember you posting anything before I gave that lecture! (I read back now and saw that it was you but when I posted I didn't know who said what, I just answering to the general feeling that came across in everyone's posts). I have NO idea why you thought I was making personal attacks at YOU?!? Everything I said was in general reference to the attitude & treatment that myself and other KISS fans get alot from other metalheads who look down on us. So I'm sorry if you somehow thought I was talking directly to you but I don't even remember anything you personally had to say about KISS prior to my posts so I don't know how it could have been directed at you.... Again I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way but everything in there was directed at common remarks & insults we get.
I said that and I still think it's funny.... it was totaly posted as a joke. 
