pearl jam "ten" re-issue

[aramism]

is it just me or does anyone else think that after a certain period of time you shouldn't be allowed to remix an album??

especially a classic.


this happens to be my favorite cd of all time. i couldn't get through half of it listening to the remixed version. granted brendan o'brien is an awesome mixer but and the mixer are actually really good, but they came about 18 years too late. it's very hard listening to it with different stuff. it's not even that much different but it still seems off. but again after hearing the same thing for 18 years, which i thought was fine to begin with, it's hard to adjust to the slightest changes. i know that album so well from every standpoint including the sound of it i could probably mix it in my sleep as far as the levels and automation. speaking of which, it seems like he biggest difference is that it is less "wet" with reverb, seems a bit punchier, guitars for the most part are the same, and there are a lot of vocal rides and harmonies that weren't there in the original.


ps - the original "garden" is so much better with the reverb soaked vocals. the new one is just all upfront and dry and takes away from the ambience.

ps2- eddie vedder must have told brendan o'brien "if i hear any reverb i will kill you"

 

[colonel kurtz]

i heard one of the tracks from that album on the radio @ work yesterday, and noticed how much verb there was on the vox...to me, i think it was just a period/style thing...back in 91, the whole 80's style huge gated verb shit was still sticking around, and left its mark a little bit on PJ

 

[aramism]

yeah but still.

dry "disco" drums were huge in the 70s. let's take "hotel california" and add some verb to those drums. c'mon. you can't screw with classics like that!

imagine dry zeppelin drums....

 

[ConspiracyBass]

I prefer the remix over the original. Always hated that huge reverb, even before I knew anything about music production. Good riddance.

 

[ahjteam]

is it just me or does anyone else think that after a certain period of time you shouldn't be allowed to remix an album??

especially a classic.

I would definately buy the remixed version of ...And Justice For All where you could hear the bass

 

[Anaon]

yeah but still.

dry "disco" drums were huge in the 70s. let's take "hotel california" and add some verb to those drums. c'mon. you can't screw with classics like that!

imagine dry zeppelin drums....

I totally agree. I don't really understand this trend of remixing. Like the Peter Gabriel Genesis era boxset, I won't buy it. The original mixing, even if it's not perfect, is a part of the album, that's all.

 

[slashvanyoung]

I'm a bit ambivalent to this:

One on hand, I think it really wasn't necessary because the album didn't sound horrible to begin with. On the Other hand, I kinda like Brendan's remixes. The guitars are rawer, the drums punchier... but the relative levels of guits and drums to vocals are seemingly much higher than on the original. Maybe it's automation fooling me here, but if Vedder's almost getting buried in the chorus to Once... that's a big no-go. Always liked about the original that his voice was throning on the rest...

Well I can't judge the whole album because I've only got two remixed tracks on their best-of (Alive and Once). It's wierd to listen to Once without the intro...

So yeah, can't really make my mind about that one.

But where I'm absolutely sure about my sentiment, are the Dream Theater Remixes by Kevin Shirley. Can't stand them at all!

 

[t-rave]

I thought the original mix on Ten was perfect as is..I love the big ambient sound that's all over the record..no desire to hear a remix

 

[aramism]

it's like taking "creeque alley" and making the vocals dry.

fail

 

[-Noodles-]

I like both of the mixes,..

Part of me prefers the newer versions, but at the same time - the old ones are so "that period" and therefore nothing will ever take away from the first time I heard Ten.

 

[Executioner213]

I like when things are remixed so you can hear whats actually going on IF it doesn't take away from the vibe of the song, or if it augments it better than what it was before. Example: I thought Enemies Of Reality was dark in the first place, but when I could actually hear what was MEANT to be played and that there were a lot of underlying tones that were buried before, it made the whole package much better. 2nd Example: On the So Far, So Good, So What remix, you can not only hear orchestration at the beginning of the disc that you couldn't hear before (not that it's anything special, but I never really noticed it before that), but we now know that Chuck Behler was actually a fuckin phenomenal drummer and not just a standard sit-in that I thought he was because you can actually hear what he was playing.

 

[Calippo Tecks]

Didn't listen to the new version yet.
Maybe a bit off topic but every album that I think is a masterpiece doesn't have a 'killer' production imo, so is this coincidence or not? Maybe it's because I'm a fan of metalcore productions, always like the sound of it. My fav production is definately as daylight dies from kse, but the album itself is not a masterpiece for me. Wintersun's self titled album is a masterpiece to me, but I don't think the production is killer.

Anyway, "are you allowed to remix...?" I think it's always interesting to hear songs in a different mix and we can only learn from that, but I think it'll never make it much better, definately not with old albums like this ofcourse. I think music of that time needs a mix sound of that time.