Porcupine Tree

[razoredge]

It's really odd, but what I said is true. I'm definitely not your stereotypical Metal guy so it all balances out I guess Like everywhere else there are cool people here too & I have a couple of good trustworthy friends. It would be a bitch to go somewhere else to start over, but I've thought about it a million times.

Its the same deal around here. Metal and especially progressive stuff is not popular so no one stocks much. Music stores are in decline anyhow. Around here you can find the more commercially marketed to teens "Metal", Pop, or lots of Country, Country coming out of the ears, sometimes its surprising to find some of the people that listen to country, you would never expect. They like old hardrock, southern rock or country. I suppose it makes sense put in that perspective.

 

[-FleshStorm]

Really? I see it everywhere

You're lucky then, because I've only seen FOABP in one store and they only had one of them in stock. They're all infested with new rap and pop music

 

[ramses]

Stupid Dream and In Absentia...I can't decide which I like better. All their albums are great, just really well paced in mood. The trick to FOABP is that- more than any other PT album, you have to listen to it in the right place, right time kind of thing...be in a certain frame of mind-if that makes sense...But I really don't think I need to explain that to you guys. PT fans that I know totally get the ambience of each album.

 

[razoredge]

I know what your talking about, Fates Warning is the same way, you have to be in that intraspective mood or someone like me, it will put you there. Im not really big on some of the real mellow stuff by PT I've heard

 

[tagradh]

The HMV stores around here, although for the most part aimed at more commercial music/films etc, have a suprising variety of alternative music and that. I've seen Blut Aus Nord and Kronos CDs there, nothing really underground but still decent.

 

[Valerie]

Then you will definitely like FOABP. (I believe it's been out for almost a year now). I think it's a step ahead for Porcupine Tree with the 17 minute prog-metal masterpiece "Anesthesize" featuring Alex Lifeson on one of the solos. The album even features Robert Fripp from King Crimson.
It's my favorite PT release so far.

Why are you calling them prog-metal

 

[Belligerent]

There are prog metal moments on FOABP.

 

[razoredge]

There are prog metal moments on FOABP.

some people dont even know what metal is anymore. you use the term prog metal and they want to call it prog rock they get all uptight. prog rock was the likes of ELP, YES, Floyd and to my favored tastes primarily Rush and Kansas....... a far cry from Porcupine Tree, Porcupine Tree is a recent band so they incorporate Metal sounds and styles as much as they remind of older more rock oriented sounds. Fates Warning was a primary contender for the developement of prog metal, yet if younger people listened to their work from the 90's they would most likely say they were'nt even metal, yet their roots were in metal and their sound progressed and evolved, they are still a prog metal band.

 

[BloodSword]

In an interview I read with Steven Wilson he was asked, "so PT is considered a prog/rock band? Wison's reply(paraphrasing) "if you consider the term progression as movimg forward then I guess we are, but really were a "rock" band and nothing else, we play rock music." This interview was around the time of "deadwing's release.

 

[razoredge]

No different than Lemmy saying "were just a rock and roll band" yet Motorhead was far more than just another rock and roll band. But Lemmy has been around a long time so he's also aware that rock is a broad term that can easily be used to blanket all forms of music evolved from the rock n roll of the 50's thru today, which includes metal.

Not unlike Jazz which can be used to cover all the different styles of that type of music since the early 1900's

or "classical" which can be used to cover all forms of that style since whenever, which can even be applied to even many film soundtracks used throughout the past 100 years.

Then there the biggest blanket statement ever......... music

Its just all music

 

[BloodSword]

Oh, OK.

 

[razoredge]

glad to see it made sense to you......

 

[BloodSword]

Whenever I say "OH,OK" it's a sarcastic reply. You've never made any sense to me.

 

[ramses]

"progressive thinking?"

 

[ramses]

Just remember this...ask an idiot who needs radio to tell them what's "cool" or what to listen to what progressive rock/metal is, would think progressive is anything that has more than three chords and doesn't say -"yeah, rock, oooh, baby, love..." I think we can be assured that PT will get limited airplay on the radio, and that's the way I personally like it. They deinitely do what they want every album.

 

[CAIRATH]

Whenever I say "OH,OK" it's a sarcastic reply. You've never made any sense to me.

Oh good, I was thinking that was just me.

Anyway, calling PT "prog metal" simply based on the fact that a handful of their songs have a few bits that could be construed as sounding "metal" is just silly. There were literally zero metal elements in any of their material before In Absentia (by far the bulk of their discography) and even after that the elements that could be considered metal are extremely sporadic.

Porcupine Tree are a rock band. I don't even feel like going into whether that should be prefixed with the "prog" qualifier or not. But they certainly aren't in any way a metal band.

 

[razoredge]

Whenever I say "OH,OK" it's a sarcastic reply. You've never made any sense to me.

.... thats cause Im so intelligent......

whenever I respond to a sarcastic remark, with an equally sarcastic remark and leave a little....... at the end of it. its cause Im leaving room for thought, I guess I should have left more.........

actually what I posted makes plenty of sense if the point of what the entire message being sent is recognized.

Some artists have been denying a relationship to genres they have been lumped into since forever. Some of those that are completely satisified with their genre will spend equal time trying to discard others who are not totally up to some specific specifications. And fans are even worse.

Problem is today many bands are drawing on all these decades of influences and the line between rock and metal is very fuzzy. Some bands thrown into rock today have many elements heavier than the early metal bands.

I almost draw a line in the sand somewhere around say 1980(77-83) where I feel guitar players, who are the main sound of hardrock and metal(heavy music), had enough metal influence to their riffs and solos that hardrock was a thing of the past. There is only a few bands anymore that I feel are really hardrock and the rest show way to much metal influence. The same could be said for the changes in druming as well.
random example:
Ted Nugent - he is hardrock player
Eddie VanHalen - he is a metal player that still knows how to rock

ever since Eddie and those that followed the lines have been very fuzzy

not that I've yet got around to Porcupine Tree

I just wanted to continue not making sense.......

 

[Belligerent]

^:zombie:
Uh, back on Porcupine Tree. What are everyone's thoughts on Coma Divine (LIVE)?

 

[razoredge]

anyhow, what are your thoughts ? Coma Divine sounds kinda dark..... thats not very rockish.... just throwing that out there for something to ponder

 

[Matt]

Bloodsword and Razoredge: keep your pointless bickering out of these threads. Or else.


(insert foreboding {non-metal} music)