Review Of Hate Crew deathtoll online at ROYAL CARNAGE now

[Tuska]

 

[bodomite]

ppl comeon stop arguing... this is cob discussion not off topic

 

[JayKeeley]

do i need to explain this statement to you two?

Yes, please do. If I were going to buy a magazine, or read a webzine for reviews on music, movies, or whatever, why would I want to read glowing reports on everything? Of course I'd want to read differing opinions - as long as the argument is backed up.

You lot are going on as if the review was just a slam towards HCD with no backing argument. I'm honestly not being biased here, but it is an EXCEPTIONAL review because the reviewer has given his opinion, and explained why he came to that conclusion.

Why aren't people (whether reviewers or not) allowed to have differing opinions to fans who can see no wrong? Shit, I love Opeth, Iron Maiden, and Emperor, and even I can see flaws in their music. I repeat, nobody is above criticism.

What's the idea in writing a review which consists of nothing else but an opinion?

No offence man, but that's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read. Even your fellow 'Bodomites' are probably shaking their heads to that statement. But I'll give you a chance to reiterate....

 

[NAD]

Well I'm glad a few intelligent fans popped up.

A review is an opinion, nothing more. You cannot sit there an analyze a CD by how many chords it uses, how complex the structures and say "it was hard for the band to play, and even though I cannot stand to listen to it, I give it a 10/10." That makes no sense. Besides, you want complexity and nothing but? Listen to jazz. I could care less about how complex it is because the sound just doens't appeal to me! Hey looky there, another opinion!

And no I'm not going to look at fucking TABS to decide if the music is good or not. Tablature is NOT for real musicians, if you can successfully tab a song as far as I'm concerned it can't be all that complex...

 

[bodomite]

i like it because it sounds good is that enough?

 

[NAD]

i like it because it sounds good is that enough?

By George I think he's got it!

I am a fan of complex music by the way, but if I don't ENJOY the sound, why would I listen to it?

 

[A Fire Inside]

A review is an opinion...

¡¡¡BEEEEP!!! False. A review is and OBJECTIVE analysis of the CD. Then, you cannot write your opinion... wait, you can, but it does not affect the final mark. Imagine you're a teacher and you have to correct one exam... you cannot decide its mark depending wether that student has got a good behavior or or not. You examine the cd by its contents and its quality, not by if you like it or not.

Another example, imagine that you hate a group (for example, Queen) and you've got to analyse one cd for school. You cannot say that cd's shit because you hate that group. "Ok, I give it a 3/10 because it's always the same crap and Freddy Mercury was a fucking gay".

Would you say something like that? I wouldn't.

You cannot sit there an analyze a CD by how many chords it uses, how complex the structures and say "it was hard for the band to play, and even though I cannot stand to listen to it, I give it a 10/10."...

And what the hell do you understand by Review?

And no I'm not going to look at fucking TABS to decide if the music is good or not.

Ok. Then go and play chess and quit doing reviews. The music is good because it has chords and tabs, that's why the music is good and listenable. If every song had only two chords it would be a fucking shit. Why do something that you don't know how to do it? For example, analysing cds?

Tablature is NOT for real musicians, if you can successfully tab a song as far as I'm concerned it can't be all that complex...

Ooooh, finally now I understand... Good musician = Britney Spears

¬¬

 

[NAD]

Your logic makes no sense, how could I rate an album highly if I didn't enjoy it? If there were separate scores for technical merit, then yes, but is that not just a bit sterile?

No I wouldn't say that about Queen, I like them.

Try reading music for a change instead of tabs, that's what I meant. Music is not a number, it's a letter, duh.

 

[JayKeeley]

This is getting worse...it's a good thing I don't generalize, otherwise I'd think all you are representative of actual CoB fans.

¡¡¡BEEEEP!!! False. A review is and OBJECTIVE analysis of the CD.

Wrong. It's actually the other way round. A review is nothing if not an opinion.

Then, you cannot write your opinion...

...er, are you sure?...

wait, you can,

...aah!....

but it does not affect the final mark.

What the?

You examine the cd by its contents and its quality, not by if you like it or not.

Oh my goodness.

You cannot say that cd's shit because you hate that group. "Ok, I give it a 3/10 because it's always the same crap and Freddy Mercury was a fucking gay".

OK, so if instead I wrote "I give it a 3/10 because it's too operatic, I tend to avoid choir-like vocals, and I hate the tone of Brian May's guitar because it sounds too hollow", would that be better?

You see, you might disagree with my assessment, but you can't deny me of my opinion.

And what the hell do you understand by Review?

So the lesson today is that a review is subjective, not objective. In theory, anyone can review anything.

If every song had only two chords it would be a fucking shit.

Well, that's your opinion. Music does not have to be complex to be good.

Ooooh, finally now I understand...

I have my doubts.

 

[Lari]

What's the idea in writing a review which consists of nothing else but an opinion?

No offence man, but that's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read. Even your fellow 'Bodomites' are probably shaking their heads to that statement. But I'll give you a chance to reiterate....

That's what I call professional journalism. Do you really want to know what a retard thinks about an album instead of what the album IS LIKE before making the buying descision?

If that's really the dumbest thing you've ever read.. Well, good luck in the future, buddy - you're gonna need it.

 

[Stun]

Wow, so that's the whole problem. A bunch of guys who think telling people their opinions makes a metal web site. Well I've read countless reviews that give opinions and also tell me about the album. It's not hard to say stuff like "they've done a slower, heavier song then usual called Angels Don't Kill. Like Sixpounder, it's downtuned to give it some extra crunch. Janne switches between gothic styled keyboards and almost uplifting strings throughout." or "Alexi experiments with cleaner vocals (Needled 24/7) as well as even more brutal ones (Triple Corpse Hammerblow)"... instead we get a ridiculously biased "review" which is obvious from the first paragraph.

I can't believe you talk about a songwriting formula, good god... if anything, bands like Marduk and Manowar have a formula, since they all sound so similar (sorry to bash these two bands but they come to mind so easily cause of the huge banners). Why do you think I told you to look at the tabs? Not to see what the music sounds like, duuuhh, to see that IT DOESN'T SOUND ALIKE AT ALL between songs! You should've realized that just by using your ears, but as has already been established, your ears don't work properly ("vocals are weaker than ever", "the CHILDREN OF BODOM Songwriting Formula®")... oh and I almost forgot you compared Alexi to Yngwie... hahahahaha okay yeah I know on their first cd his style was reminiscent of it but now? I'm disgusted with you guys and your website.

Oh, shit on me... everyone of the reviews on your site that I checked (about 20 rnadomly selected ones) were 8, 9 or 10/10, with 2 exceptions, which were 6/10s. And you gave CoB 3/10. Even tho I hated practically everything CoB stood for when I first listened to them, I acknowledged that they had incredible talent and songwriting ability. I gave them a few more tries and gradually liked them more and more. Now I think they're great... an innovative mix of just about every genre of metal. Compare this to every black metal band I checked on your site: 9 or 10/10.

Well, I'm done here. Please, for the sake of metal's integrity - which is already shot to shit as it is with all those pop-metal bands - close your website... it disgraces metalheads everywhere. It's not even a review site. It's more like a gushing wellspring of praise for every band but CoB.

 

[JayKeeley]

...It's not even a review site. It's more like a gushing wellspring of praise for every band but CoB.

Have you ever considered that to be a reflection on CoB?

And by the way, you blind fuck, there is already a GLOWING review for Follow the Reaper as we have pointed out 50 times already. So that blows your theory right back up your well-used rectum.

 

[NAD]

so none of you know anything about music besides what sounds good to you personally. now thats fucking hilarious! so tell me why should anyone give a shit what you think? the big question is why are you guys writing reviews??

I've been a musician for 16 years myself, I think I know a bit about music. I can't prove it, and it doesn't mean that even if I was a musician for 1600 years my opinion wouldn't necessarily count for shite, but I had to say something apparently. :Spin:

WORST WEBZINE EVER!

I must admit, I'm glad that you think so.

 

[A Fire Inside]

Wow, so that's the whole problem. A bunch of guys who think telling people their opinions makes a metal web site. Well I've read countless reviews that give opinions and also tell me about the album. It's not hard to say stuff like "they've done a slower, heavier song then usual called Angels Don't Kill. Like Sixpounder, it's downtuned to give it some extra crunch. Janne switches between gothic styled keyboards and almost uplifting strings throughout." or "Alexi experiments with cleaner vocals (Needled 24/7) as well as even more brutal ones (Triple Corpse Hammerblow)"... instead we get a ridiculously biased "review" which is obvious from the first paragraph.

I can't believe you talk about a songwriting formula, good god... if anything, bands like Marduk and Manowar have a formula, since they all sound so similar (sorry to bash these two bands but they come to mind so easily cause of the huge banners). Why do you think I told you to look at the tabs? Not to see what the music sounds like, duuuhh, to see that IT DOESN'T SOUND ALIKE AT ALL between songs! You should've realized that just by using your ears, but as has already been established, your ears don't work properly ("vocals are weaker than ever", "the CHILDREN OF BODOM Songwriting Formula®")... oh and I almost forgot you compared Alexi to Yngwie... hahahahaha okay yeah I know on their first cd his style was reminiscent of it but now? I'm disgusted with you guys and your website.

Oh, shit on me... everyone of the reviews on your site that I checked (about 20 rnadomly selected ones) were 8, 9 or 10/10, with 2 exceptions, which were 6/10s. And you gave CoB 3/10. Even tho I hated practically everything CoB stood for when I first listened to them, I acknowledged that they had incredible talent and songwriting ability. I gave them a few more tries and gradually liked them more and more. Now I think they're great... an innovative mix of just about every genre of metal. Compare this to every black metal band I checked on your site: 9 or 10/10.

Well, I'm done here. Please, for the sake of metal's integrity - which is already shot to shit as it is with all those pop-metal bands - close your website... it disgraces metalheads everywhere. It's not even a review site. It's more like a gushing wellspring of praise for every band but CoB.

I completely agree. Now you are my new god.

 

[NAD]

Review for Follow the Reaper, since nobody bothered to click it.

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When I bought this album a few years back, I'll admit, it was my first foray into the realm of the Scandinavian extreme metal sound that's all the rage these days with satanists worldwide.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]One word to describe my feelings: THANK GOODNESS I BOUGHT THIS. Okay, that's 5 words, but you get my point. At the time, I was so worried about getting past the vocal screeching that often overshadows this amazing genre of music that I nearly shot myself in the foot before giving the entire disc a listen. I think it took roughly 13 seconds of the first track before I was hooked. By the time the pulsating, driving riffing and keyboard work on "Bodom After Midnight," I had an early entry (for me) for best album purchased that year. Of course, now, I don’t mind the guttural & gruff NILE vokills, so one could say that this was an important purchase in my own personal history of metal growth. Before BODOM, the most extreme I had gotten was “underground” thrash in the late 1980s. But I digress. Back to the review.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do yourself a favor, don't bypass this just because you're afraid of black/death metal vox like I almost did. Is this even black/death metal? I have my doubts. It's more like Jericho/Keeper… era HELLOWEEN mixed with SAGA/ASIA-styled keyboard work mixed with well, guttural screaming vocals. Throw in a healthy dose of YNGWIE MALMSTEEN-inspired neoclassical guitar shredding, and you’re close. I'm sure there are some purists out there who are experiencing rising blood pressure at my amateur analysis, but that works for me. I was shocked that something this hard, this brutal could be so instantly hummable. These are the types of songs that stick in your craw and won’t leave, rattling around your skull like a 5,000 mph sledgehammer all day long, causing more than one person to look at you strangely, I can assure you.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Alright, enough of me. Just get this![/font]​

9/10​

Markgugs​

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Hey Josh, I'll bet if you posted this one first all these kids would be saying "Royale Karnij is teh r0xx0rzzz!!!!!111"​

I'm done here, anyone can PM if you wish.​

 

[NAD]

Good to see you have a sense of humor!

 

[A Fire Inside]

If you gave 9 out of 10 to Follow The Reaper you must be joking. You've confirmed my suspects: I Don't Want To Read Any More Shit Out Of That Web.

How can anybody give 9/10 to Follow and 3/10 to Hate Crew?

Must Kill somebody.

 

[JayKeeley]

How can anybody give 9/10 to Follow and 3/10 to Hate Crew?

Different reviewers. Therefore, different opinions. It's a democracy, not a 'Children of Bodom' dictatorship.

 

[HarmonyDies....]

Is this over yet?

 

[Ayeka]

What a fascinating discussion...fyi I have discovered one or two rather dandy bands from Royal Carnage reviews. I suggest you give 'em a bit more credit.

And ManOwaR pwns, no questions asked