Saddam Hussein is fucking dead.
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elmuchoescadawg
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It did seem like, welll to me at least, a case of 'well we cant find Osama so lets finish Dads war because at least we can show the American people a victory' I could be wrong but thats just my feeling. I was kinda like was as were in the area lets finish this off!
Having said this being British I cant really talk about one country invading another. look at our track record and our glorious empire.
Having said this being British I cant really talk about one country invading another. look at our track record and our glorious empire.
aramism
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the whole iraq thing (which i was a supporter of at first) especially living in nyc with the whole patriotic thing ended up being the biggest bullshit ever. my naive self of 4 years ago completely bought into everything. but soon i realized the whole thing was the biggest sham ever. it was covered up a lot better.
"it" refers to what people never know. all political and global things that happen surely have deep deep involvements between so many entities that no one knows about. people speculate all they want, whether it's pro or anti or whatever. left, right, any wing. no one knows the absolute truth. but i guess that's why we all get a kick out of it either way to discuss things so passionately. not just us, or me, but everyone in general. who cares enough to speak out one way or another about any political thing that happens. crazy world and crazy life when you look at the grand scheme of things.
however, about the saddam thing, that was just such bullshit. whoever said that saddam was the only person that could run the country was totally correct. the guy had everything on lockdown. and it is spotlighted that he was a dictator but you know what. WHO THE FUCK CARES??? that was his country let him do what he wants. on the surface (once again we never know what really happens, or happened, or who is involved with who and what goes on in the dark shadows of foreign affairs and intelligence) i don't see how he posed a threat on a national security level to the U.S.
who the fuck cares how he treated his people? as bad as that sounds there are so many other countries in the world, namely in parts of the middle east, south america, africa, asia where there are total dictatorships and unjust governments but you never hear about them and liberating them because the X factor isn't there. that's the kicker. i am actually not a left wing person. i believe that a nation, like a business has to always watch out for it's best intrests even if it's being predatory in nature/ however i just hate the bullshit that is involved with "freedom" and "iraqi freedom" and "keeping democracy alive" and i hate how everyone buys it. its like a bunch of sheep getting fucked in their ass and they dont even know it. thats what gets me.
and im pretty sure this is how the whole saddam hussein thing went down: "hmm, let's make this so sick. let's handle him with care, send him back to iraq. let our, oops i mean "their" new "democratic" people process him in a fair court of law, which of course we will make sure is "fair", where he loses for crimes against humanity and he will be hung by his own people. then since half the nation is of a conflicting muslim sect, we will show them celebrate in some random town on cnn, hail his execution as a victory for human rights and continue to stick out big noses all over the place. and no one will notice cuz everyone is a tool."
"it" refers to what people never know. all political and global things that happen surely have deep deep involvements between so many entities that no one knows about. people speculate all they want, whether it's pro or anti or whatever. left, right, any wing. no one knows the absolute truth. but i guess that's why we all get a kick out of it either way to discuss things so passionately. not just us, or me, but everyone in general. who cares enough to speak out one way or another about any political thing that happens. crazy world and crazy life when you look at the grand scheme of things.
however, about the saddam thing, that was just such bullshit. whoever said that saddam was the only person that could run the country was totally correct. the guy had everything on lockdown. and it is spotlighted that he was a dictator but you know what. WHO THE FUCK CARES??? that was his country let him do what he wants. on the surface (once again we never know what really happens, or happened, or who is involved with who and what goes on in the dark shadows of foreign affairs and intelligence) i don't see how he posed a threat on a national security level to the U.S.
who the fuck cares how he treated his people? as bad as that sounds there are so many other countries in the world, namely in parts of the middle east, south america, africa, asia where there are total dictatorships and unjust governments but you never hear about them and liberating them because the X factor isn't there. that's the kicker. i am actually not a left wing person. i believe that a nation, like a business has to always watch out for it's best intrests even if it's being predatory in nature/ however i just hate the bullshit that is involved with "freedom" and "iraqi freedom" and "keeping democracy alive" and i hate how everyone buys it. its like a bunch of sheep getting fucked in their ass and they dont even know it. thats what gets me.
and im pretty sure this is how the whole saddam hussein thing went down: "hmm, let's make this so sick. let's handle him with care, send him back to iraq. let our, oops i mean "their" new "democratic" people process him in a fair court of law, which of course we will make sure is "fair", where he loses for crimes against humanity and he will be hung by his own people. then since half the nation is of a conflicting muslim sect, we will show them celebrate in some random town on cnn, hail his execution as a victory for human rights and continue to stick out big noses all over the place. and no one will notice cuz everyone is a tool."
I do.
I am from Bulgaria and we have 5 hostages in Lybia now. May be if in the early 80's or 90's this whole thing about the war against terrorism was on focus this wouldn't happend.
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aramism
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no i didnt mean like who cares from a humane level. i just said that the whole "we liberate iraq" thing is bullshit because there are so many countries throughout the world where there is oppresion and governmental corruption that the whole humanitarian angle is just a cheesy front that unfortunately most people buy and the media (cnn, fox, etc.) shove in people's face.
i was born in armenia myself, a rather poor country, especially post-soviet armenia with tons of political corruption and whatnot. i live in the united states for the majority of my life but still have my roots as well as 99% of my family there so i am always in the middle of the european/american idealogy debates both in my mind and at family functions and whatnot...
i was born in armenia myself, a rather poor country, especially post-soviet armenia with tons of political corruption and whatnot. i live in the united states for the majority of my life but still have my roots as well as 99% of my family there so i am always in the middle of the european/american idealogy debates both in my mind and at family functions and whatnot...
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Yes I have heard about this and was curious...what's everyone in Bulgaria saying about this. Do you think they are they scapegoats?
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"its like a bunch of sheep getting fucked in their ass and they dont even know it. thats what gets me."
Actually in Bulgaria we are really concerned and united about this questions. On the New Year's eve almost everybody had ribbon with the text "You're not alone" which is about our nurses in Lybia.
And we are sure that they are scapegoats, but sometimes Gadaffi is absolutely unpredictable. We don't know if he wants money, or freedom for al-Megrahi(Pan Am Flight 103) or something totally different.
And we are sure that they are scapegoats, but sometimes Gadaffi is absolutely unpredictable. We don't know if he wants money, or freedom for al-Megrahi(Pan Am Flight 103) or something totally different.
deathtotaliban
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you're retarded. if so show me gas prices going down or proof that the US is using more middle eastern oil. i sure as hell wish it was easy as the US just wanted more oil because honestly i dont give a damn about any fucking middle eastern people. its not us as a countries job to take care of other people's problems. if they want them to go away then they need to quit all their car bomb religious bullshit and actually act like humans and not a bunch of savages with no sense of humane life. until they realize for themselves the value of human life there will never be peace in the middle east, i just hope our country can get a leader in charge that can get us the hell out of there. its not our fight at all. now as far as Saddam goes i think its great he was hanged to death. The man was a lunatic, lets face it. He killed innocent people of his own country for really no reason. call me a hypocrite for that but i dont care that was something that the US could help with, taking down a dictator, but forcing democracy onto a country who has much deeper problems than being a democratic country will ever solve is bullshit. America has enough of its own problems to be worrying about other countries problems. anyway say what u want thats my 2 cents
I love how the religion that calls for murdering infidels, has a history of violent conflict over differences not only with nonbelievers but with 'those other, wrong believers', and is just BEGGING for theocratic nutjobbery (its name translates roughly to 'surrender' or 'submit') hasn't been brought to the discussion.
EDIT: Forgot to add this:
Right amount isn't the issue, it's a matter of 'enough'.
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Jeff
EDIT: Forgot to add this:
Right amount isn't the issue, it's a matter of 'enough'.
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Jeff
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Gnash
Lefty
Yeah, the real issue is HUMANITY. There should be no allowance, in mankind's modern existence, for this type of behavior. And WMD
heh have to be taken away from the bad seeds (YONG SONGIL, SADDAM), who can't play well with others.
_RiseInside_
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My name is Damage
good thing we incinerated 600,000 women and babies to save them from that "lunatic" saddam who killed hundreds of his own people 20 years ago.
thank god we did that. HE WAS A LUNATIC
Define lunatic for me, I think a lunatic might be someone who starts unprovoked wars because he believes Jesus wants him to hasten armageddon, or because some similar brown people knocked down our buildings, but those guys came from a "nice" country (that we have tons of lucrative business contracts with) a nice country who happens to have human rights violations that meet or exceed any of Saddams.
If 19 guys from new jersey break in my house and steals my guitars, and I decide to get some justice I go to Kansas and burn some suburban subdivision down, (THEY'RE WHITE PEOPLE) AND IF YOU ASKED ME WHY I SAY BECAUSE I HAVE PROOF THAT THE KANSANS WERE COMPLICIT IN STEALING MY SHIT, which later turns out to be fabricated bullshit would that make me a LUNATIC?
I THINK IT MIGHT
Funny this administration has done a thousand times more shit to deconstruct our constitution than any of those creepy towel headed boogie men who "hate us for our freedom"
Jesus fellas, turn off the fucking propaganda machine and figure out when someone is lying to you.
and the war is about money and religion, they are all about money and religion. and gee whiz, the entire administration has ties to defense contractors who are handed no-bid contracts to sell our fucking kids out there ,dying in the sand, a 6 pack of Coke for $45 (look it up) and they also happen to make billion dollar bombs we can drop on $42 mud houses, and then buy some more.
Now call me a retard. I'm going to go read a fucking book
thank god we did that. HE WAS A LUNATIC
Define lunatic for me, I think a lunatic might be someone who starts unprovoked wars because he believes Jesus wants him to hasten armageddon, or because some similar brown people knocked down our buildings, but those guys came from a "nice" country (that we have tons of lucrative business contracts with) a nice country who happens to have human rights violations that meet or exceed any of Saddams.
If 19 guys from new jersey break in my house and steals my guitars, and I decide to get some justice I go to Kansas and burn some suburban subdivision down, (THEY'RE WHITE PEOPLE) AND IF YOU ASKED ME WHY I SAY BECAUSE I HAVE PROOF THAT THE KANSANS WERE COMPLICIT IN STEALING MY SHIT, which later turns out to be fabricated bullshit would that make me a LUNATIC?
I THINK IT MIGHT
Funny this administration has done a thousand times more shit to deconstruct our constitution than any of those creepy towel headed boogie men who "hate us for our freedom"
Jesus fellas, turn off the fucking propaganda machine and figure out when someone is lying to you.
and the war is about money and religion, they are all about money and religion. and gee whiz, the entire administration has ties to defense contractors who are handed no-bid contracts to sell our fucking kids out there ,dying in the sand, a 6 pack of Coke for $45 (look it up) and they also happen to make billion dollar bombs we can drop on $42 mud houses, and then buy some more.
Now call me a retard. I'm going to go read a fucking book
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aramism
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the iraq war is the most embarassing thing that ever happened to america. we may not feel the effects now, and i hope to god that they get out of the mess they got into before is hurts them bad. its very embarassing. it's possibly worse than vietnam. vietnam was just a failed war that they lost. they actually won the main battles in iraq and took control of the country but it's a joke now that they occupy it.
it also shows how shallow a lot of americans are in their thinking and outlook. me being a non-u.s. born american citizen and living in nyc i can tell you that firsthand. executing saddam hussein was a joke. the bottom line is that the u.s. wants to have a tight control over the region and wanted to start by turning iraq into a puppet sattellite. but they failed because you can't overturn the will of a people who believe more strongly in their beliefs than you do in yours.
it also shows how shallow a lot of americans are in their thinking and outlook. me being a non-u.s. born american citizen and living in nyc i can tell you that firsthand. executing saddam hussein was a joke. the bottom line is that the u.s. wants to have a tight control over the region and wanted to start by turning iraq into a puppet sattellite. but they failed because you can't overturn the will of a people who believe more strongly in their beliefs than you do in yours.
Gnash
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I think someone, who is brainwashed with Islamic bullshit voodoo, and straps a bomb to themselves or their nice car could be classified as a lunatic. Sorry, Dave.
Sorry, Dave.
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My name is Damage
I think someone, who is brainwashed with Islamic bullshit voodoo, and straps a bomb to themselves or their nice car could be classified as a lunatic.
and you would be absolutely right, and all 1-2% of the islamic douchebags that do that are(of course there are over a billion of them who laugh, cry,love, raise their kids and hope for the future just like us "normal" people do). or the 1-2% of backwoods redneck motherfuckers who take out federal buildings with fertilizer and kerosene, or guys who's invisible friend wants them to be president. or the 128 lb white kid from podunk Iowa who thinks he's a hard-ass black THUG from the muhfuggin STREETS. Some people are fucked up. It doesnt condemn nations.
That's the whole thing, we believe this spoon fed bullshit to keep us afraid make sweeping generalizations about an entire segment of the world and enforce the agenda of a bunch of fat-cats. You have a statistically higher chance of being killed by your own dog than by terrorists. It is a tiny fraction of humanity, but the perfect reason for the powers that be to sweep in steal our money, engage in building empires and dismantle our bill of rights. All in the name of "be afraid".
Shut up, be afraid, obey, consume, and don't ask questions because WE know what's best for you. We're keeping you safe from all those bad people.
face it man 911 was the best thing that could have ever happened to them.
There's a higher percentage of 'islamic douchebags' who do that, and you're doing a disservice to simple statistics by putting it that low. Yes, you can go into the whole 'they're people too' thing, but their religion pretty explicitly calls for the murder of infidels, and their history alone shows fairly well how that works out. When that component of society, the 'lunatic fringe' that eclipses even the worst days of the Christians' Inquisitions and witch trials, is RUNNING THINGS, you've got some fucking lunatics on your hands. Just look at the poll numbers showing how many Arabs think Arabs weren't behind 9/11 - a majority. Fucking nuts. And that's not fairy-tale shit, that's real brainwashing from some serious fuckers. Hell, read the Koran and tell me holy text isn't fucked. Yes, the other examples of lunatics are certainly wacko, but for all practical intents and purposes Islam mandates insanity.
That said, I don't buy into the War on Terror myself, or any of our other bullshit wars against concepts for political expediency. There are, however, real fucking problems in the world and the least we can do is learn from the mistakes of today's Islamic states the same as Enlightenment thinkers learned from the mistakes of Christian theocracy in the centuries before.
Jeff
That said, I don't buy into the War on Terror myself, or any of our other bullshit wars against concepts for political expediency. There are, however, real fucking problems in the world and the least we can do is learn from the mistakes of today's Islamic states the same as Enlightenment thinkers learned from the mistakes of Christian theocracy in the centuries before.
Jeff
everybody's x
My name is Damage
I'll give you that Jeff. Absolutely. It is a small percentage overall though. There also happens to be more muslims in general. And , again, Saddam was not an islamic fundamentalist. Islamic fundamentalists hated him. That's the source of my whole rant. X does not equal Y and killing one brown guy does not hurt the other brown guy simply because they are both brown. Have you heard me bitch once about afganistan? Nope, that was a nutbag theocracy that had to go and had a hand in 911. Iraq did not.
And you do have a statistically higher chance of being killed by a dog, that's a mathmatical truth, not minimalism.
As far as dogma, have you read the koran? or the old testament? both full of REAL fucked up crazy shit that has provoked wars for 5000 years (read leviticus, in the "good book", there and several other sections call for the murder of infidels). They are both also incredibly similar. I have read them both BTW
It's the application of the religion by a small segment of their followers that are the problem. But the freaks get the attention don't they? I didn't read anything in the paper today about the guy who went to work, fed his kids and kissed his wife goodnight, because that doesn't sell any product, or advance any agenda.
And you do have a statistically higher chance of being killed by a dog, that's a mathmatical truth, not minimalism.
As far as dogma, have you read the koran? or the old testament? both full of REAL fucked up crazy shit that has provoked wars for 5000 years (read leviticus, in the "good book", there and several other sections call for the murder of infidels). They are both also incredibly similar. I have read them both BTW
It's the application of the religion by a small segment of their followers that are the problem. But the freaks get the attention don't they? I didn't read anything in the paper today about the guy who went to work, fed his kids and kissed his wife goodnight, because that doesn't sell any product, or advance any agenda.
