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Erik said:
all depends on whether you have an addictive personality, enjoy the experience, have ready access to a supply and how many times/how often you do it.
Salvia Divinorum
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all depends on whether you have an addictive personality, enjoy the experience, have ready access to a supply and how many times/how often you do it.
Erik
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Possibly. I've read around a fair bit and never heard of anyone becoming addicted to Salvia or Psilocybin, but I guess it could conceivably happen. They're probably about as addictive as oranges or oatmeal or something.
I don't see how the fuck people go "ugh don't take drugs to escape from your problems it's dumb" when what you're actually doing is being ridiculously introspective. As far as I know, if you have psychological problems and take a psychedelic drug, you're going to fucking hell. Rather literally.
This is another thing; you do not necessarily "enjoy" taking something like Salvia. In fact, drugs like that might make you question things within yourself so much, or make you so afraid, or amazed, that you need days or weeks to recover and figure things out.
I don't see how the fuck people go "ugh don't take drugs to escape from your problems it's dumb" when what you're actually doing is being ridiculously introspective. As far as I know, if you have psychological problems and take a psychedelic drug, you're going to fucking hell. Rather literally.
Erik said:
I wasn't trying to insult you, I was trying point out what you're actually saying here, because I'm not sure if you really are!
All right, let's say you really are considering this because of the musical- and not the social consequences.
"An interest in looking beyond." ??? Wow. Hippie bullshit, if I've ever heard it. I turned thirty last saturday, and with the exception of three or four times in 1990, I've not ONCE touched drugs of ANY kind. And if you're able to find one pill munching druggie who appreciates music more than me, I'll sallute you. True appreciation of music should come from yourself, without chemical (!!!) substances to help you. If you suspect that that is what you need to truly appreciate the music, I pity you. The music we're listening to comes with a price; you have study it, exploring the layers and nuances, and it will unfold before you in its full form. The satisfaction of having achieved that must surely be beyond anything some pill could ever offer you. By taking drugs, you take shortcuts, thus, YOU ARE SHOWING A LACK OF CHARACTER!
And I'm really not trying to offend or insult you, because, I have nothing but respect for you, and, after all, you haven't done this shit yet, have you?
Erik
New Metal Member
I'm not saying I need it to "appreciate music". At all. I've never even suggested anything of the kind, so maybe read what I'm saying again, because the way you rant on about music is totally irrelevant. I've never used drugs. I would not be taking shortcuts, because I would do it to reach something that CAN NOT be accomplished without chemically altering the mind.
The culture of many modern nations is that of complete disdain towards drugs, so its not suprising so many people vehemently despise them. As it has been said, most people grow up constantly being bombarded with anti-drug propaganda and concurently develop the same type of mentality. Its important to understand that people use drugs for many different reasons. The media portrays all drug users as high school drop outs, theifs, violent criminals, etc. when in fact most drug users are casual recreational users. Some people desire to discover more than what is right in front of there eyes. It all depends on your own personal reasons. Its pretty obvious that some of you still see drugs in a very mainstream way, which in a way is disheartening for me. I would rather see people understand the nature of drugs and condemn them for personal reasons than to hear another ignorant diatribe about them turning our children into satan worhiping junkies. Drug use is not something that brings me happiness, it is almost an introspective hobby for me. I document most psychoactive experiences I have for personal logs and study. I have had my fair share of "bad" trips, but nothing that hasnt detered me for too long. Anyway is was just ranting a little, no real malice towards anyone. Call me when you all need new livers.
Chromatose
Squid pro quo
En Vind Av Sorg said:
5 star post
this thread needed a sensible post like this one in light of what has started being said, thanks en vind
Erik
New Metal Member
Cheers. This is pretty much exactly what I've been saying (or trying to) as well. Except I'm not about to stop ruining my liver, eh.En Vind Av Sorg said:
Erik said:
No, but are saying that it would help you to appreciate it more. And that ws what I was talking about. If it came out unclearly, I apologize.
Erik said:
What I don't understand is, why would you want to? Isn't reality enough?
Also, I'm not portraying all drug users as criminals and so on, but I still despise it. I had an older brother who OD'd 15 years ago, so yeah...
lizard
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what I would tender is that perhaps it allows you to hear it differently; almost like the sci fi concept of bajillions of alternate realities, of which some are radically different from our own, and some of which are only subtle shades of our inhabited realm [/hippieshit]
my condolences. that might tend to color my perspective as well.Crimson Velvet said:
man i've seen people do salvia and jack shit happens, people exagerate so fuckin' much.
Extract and leaves i've seen, from a bong like your supposed to, and nothinnnnnggggg happpeeeensssssss.
Extract and leaves i've seen, from a bong like your supposed to, and nothinnnnnggggg happpeeeensssssss.
Chromatose
Squid pro quo
More than enough, because I've accepted that reality is just that: reality.
@Lizard: Thank you.
@Lizard: Thank you.
Erik
New Metal Member
Your reasoning is pretty flawed. For ANYTHING, you can go "why do X? Isn't Y enough?" I mean, why do you eat fancy well cooked meals? Surely bread and water is enough to survive?
I think that is to over-simplifying it. X, Y, fancy well cooked meals, bread and water are all part of reality. Reality covers so much that such analogies are void.
Chromatose
Squid pro quo
Crimson Velvet said:
precisely
and some people are content sitting in their homes all day
some want to adventure outdoors
both are perfectly acceptable lifestyles
Erik
New Metal Member
You completely fail to put forth any sort of argument against recreational drug use however?Crimson Velvet said:
What the fuck? Did my whole "lack of character rant" go completely over your head?
I give up. I do however sincerely hope that you decide against this. I think it's a grave mistake, and whatever joy you get out of it won't be worth it, because it is in the end an empty, shallow joy, rooted in unreality. And once you have done it, you can't undo it. And if you resist the urge, you'll know for youself that you withstood the temptation, and you'll be a stronger, better man than before.
I give up. I do however sincerely hope that you decide against this. I think it's a grave mistake, and whatever joy you get out of it won't be worth it, because it is in the end an empty, shallow joy, rooted in unreality. And once you have done it, you can't undo it. And if you resist the urge, you'll know for youself that you withstood the temptation, and you'll be a stronger, better man than before.
lizard
Member
for the record, I neither espouse nor condemn drug use, except for things like heroin, which I see absolutely no upside to. hallucinogens were a good thing for me personally because it broke me out of a very narrow mindset I was in from my very conservative upbringing. And I never gobbled a dozen hits at a time, either; in fact, sometimes a half a hit of blotter was just fine. Thankfully, I was never like Ozzy or Geezer, who reportedly stayed tripping for a solid year...once I had a good trip, I was fine for weeks; it always felt like taking a mental enema, and all my mental toxins were washed from my neuropassages.
I might well have become the same person I am now, whom you all know and love, without drugs...but of course there's no way to know.
p.s. my drug days are behind me now.
I might well have become the same person I am now, whom you all know and love, without drugs...but of course there's no way to know.
p.s. my drug days are behind me now.
Chromatose
Squid pro quo
the main problem I see here, CV, is your opinions of reality. Taking drugs entirely out of the equation here for a second if you can, reality is not an absolute that is exactly the same from person to person. There is an incredible amount of factors that contribute to each individuals perceived idea of reality.
I respect that you think so strongly about your viewpoint being so right and others' being so wrong, but just consider that reality is a byproduct of a number of factors.
Monks that meditate for endless hours, endless days, to transcend and awaken to something new, are they wrong? They are doing things to their bodies that are causing them to break the mold of their reality.
I respect that you think so strongly about your viewpoint being so right and others' being so wrong, but just consider that reality is a byproduct of a number of factors.
Monks that meditate for endless hours, endless days, to transcend and awaken to something new, are they wrong? They are doing things to their bodies that are causing them to break the mold of their reality.
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