Sanctuary reforming?

[TribunalRecords]

Let's see what we learned from the old, wise folk in the last page...

- Nevermore is nu-metal.
- If you play with a 7-string guitar, you're definitely a nu-metal band.
- Nevermore and most modern metal bands have no heart and are purely based on fake performances.
- The best death metal albums came out in the 80s. Actually, the best metal albums came out in the 80s, period. Therefore it feels good to be stuck in the 80s in 2010.
- Metallica and Queensryche still have musical integrity.
- If you don't belong to the 80s metal scene or don't appreciate the 80s metal bands, you're less of a metalhead than those who are.
- Music taste is not subjective. It's pretty clear: Your taste is right if you like old school metal.

If this is what becoming older does to your mind, then I need a cyanide pill now before I turn 30.

you make fun of getting old, but mark my words right here right now. you will close your ranks when it comes to bands you love and you will go back to the bands that you made your strongest connections to when you were young.

i made fun of my dad when i was a kid and now i get it.

plus most new metal sucks and is 100% completely uninspired or rehashed from the 80's.

i guess i don't see how stale, stagnant, repetitively similar production to every band is a good thing. the bands that survive now are the ones who are able to set themselves off the from the packs in some fashion.

but ask yourselves this. if you put on a brand new (unheard) Sonata Arctica, Rhapsody, Kamelot or any other power metal band record and removed the vocals could you tell a difference? and this goes for death metal, etc etc. my point is because of digital production everything sounds the same and ONLY the vocalist sets them apart. where back in the day bands as a whole set themselves apart via songwriting, production, etc. sure there were obvious clones that came along but bands were different back then, but production played a big part to bands' sounds and with everything being digital and bands using the same re-amping and pro-tool plug-ins it becomes all the same sound eventually.

bottom line is we joke about commercial music on here all sounding the same, but we refuse to admit it's happening to all the genres we like in here.

old man - over and out.

 

[nomisofsiman]

As far as Nevermore sounding like nu-metal, I have a friend who was strictly into nu metal and he has recently made it to the traditional side of the fence leaving the rest behind. The first time he heard Nevermore which was on the Voyager DVD he actually said to me that it reminds him a little of Korn just with guitar solos and a bit heavier.

Maybe the heavier side reminded him of it. Solos? What solos? Korn doesn't play any stinking solos unless they've drastically changed over the last couple of albums.

 

[TribunalRecords]

But there's nothing wrong in that being your favorite. I'm 25 and I like plenty of stuff that came in the 80s, but to completely disregard everything else or consider everything else inferior 95% JUST BECAUSE it's not the 80s is just not rational. Of course it's subjective, but when someone considers themselves better than you just because you like something different, it makes them look like idiots.

And I agree with your last comment about having both bands. However, it seems to me that the main argument in the thread shifted from the Nevermore x Sanctuary thing.

i think you are missing my point, i myself don't disregard anything beyond 1989. i own 9000+ cds, so i am pretty sure i have everything covered up until 2010.

but having lived through metal since the late 70's i have seen it all and i prefer the 80's because to me that era was the best. again, my opinion. does it mean i don't like current bands, no? but do i find myself getting stoked on more bands now? nope, because they bore me. again, my opinion.

bottom line is the new bands (not all mind you) aren't doing anything new and the old bands still going at it aren't doing much of anything better than it was back in the day. now there are always exceptions to my thinking, but that is how it is with everything.

 

[nomisofsiman]

i think you are missing my point, i myself don't disregard anything beyond 1989. i own 9000+ cds, so i am pretty sure i have everything covered up until 2010.

but having lived through metal since the late 70's i have seen it all and i prefer the 80's because to me that era was the best. again, my opinion. does it mean i don't like current bands, no? but do i find myself getting stoked on more bands now? nope, because they bore me. again, my opinion.

bottom line is the new bands (not all mind you) aren't doing anything new and the old bands still going at it aren't doing much of anything better than it was back in the day. now there are always exceptions to my thinking, but that is how it is with everything.

Bottom line here is that music is very much like film nowadays. Both occasionally will have a film or band that is truly unique and different that sets itself apart from others. However, this is 2010 and everything essentially has already been done with some rare exceptions. I love tons of bands nowadays and some bands I actually do get stoked about big time; however, no one is exactly reinventing the wheel either.

 

[TribunalRecords]

That wasn't the point Zod was making. Of course, just the fact of getting paid less doesn't make you a better musician. However, if you are getting shit pay, can hardly live off of it but are doing it anyway simply for the love of the music, that's integrity. It's the starving artist thing. Are there bands that are doing it for the love of art that suck? Yes. Are there bands that are getting paid a shitload of money that are extremely talented? Yes. It's a fine line but I think there are a lot of bands that got a lucky break early in their career that would not have continued if they continued to get shit pay. Nowadays that's pretty common due to the way the music industry is going.

that isn't integrity at all. doing something you love and sticking to it regardless of what comes your way be it fame or money or none of the above. that is doing something with integrity. talent has nothing to do with integrity.

how did metallica get a lucky break? how did slayer or queensryche or even iced earth get a lucky break? i am curious? so touring non-stop and promoting albums on the road is a lucky break? these bands WORKED and toured and built the fans they have now, which is why they aren't so fleeting like fans digging current bands. they made lifetime fans because of their hard work. people respect hard working bands, or at least i do.

but, cannibal corpse being on CNN is a lucky break. being spotted on Youtube is a lucky break. being lucky is more of a modern thing in music. there was no luck that came so easy back then.

 

[TribunalRecords]

This and I will raise you that a lot of these albums and bands started genres. .

just to clarify are you saying more genres were started in the 90's? if so, i am curious.

 

[TribunalRecords]

however, no one is exactly reinventing the wheel either.

my point exactly, so why keep giving new bands my attention? and instead enjoy the classic metal i grew up on and fell in love with back then. it will be same with you younger guys, but you will drift back to the Blind Guardian, Angra and Iced Earth records. and i am talking the EARLY stuff. hahaha.

 

[ICEDEARTHFAN]

my point exactly, so why keep giving new bands my attention? and instead enjoy the classic metal i grew up on and fell in love with back then. it will be same with you younger guys, but you will drift back to the Blind Guardian, Angra and Iced Earth records. and i am talking the EARLY stuff. hahaha.

I won't have to drift back to them,because I have never left them.But I try my best to listen to new stuff when I can.I will have to admit though,going down the road listening to most 90's and today's band in my car just doesn't get me going as much as the 80's stuff.I'm sure I look and sound like an idiot to most kids today when I pull up next to them blasting Iron Maiden,Judas Priest,or insert 80's band here.But,I really don't care in the end.They can enjoy what they like while I enjoy what I like.
I do love Disturbed from the 2nd album on,and there are scores of other bands I enjoy from the 90's and up to today.But the 80's hold my metal heart in a grasp that will never be broken.I don't mind someone suggesting any band or any genre of metal to me.I'll gladly be open-minded to trying new bands on for size.

 

[J. Golden]

I'll give you a few:
Blind Guardian, Imaginations from the Other Side
Ark, Burn the Sun
Fate's Warning, Parallels
At the Gates, Slaugher of the Soul

What planet do these albums stand up to albums like 'Master of Puppets' and 'Number of the Beast'? It can be agrued that these albums have not been around as long still you can compare the status of them 1-15 years in and they were still more stellar releases than 'Imaginations' and god knows 'Parallels'. Not going on option here, all great albums but facts are facts.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

but ask yourselves this. if you put on a brand new (unheard) Sonata Arctica, Rhapsody, Kamelot or any other power metal band record and removed the vocals could you tell a difference? and this goes for death metal, etc etc. my point is because of digital production everything sounds the same and ONLY the vocalist sets them apart. where back in the day bands as a whole set themselves apart via songwriting, production, etc. sure there were obvious clones that came along but bands were different back then, but production played a big part to bands' sounds and with everything being digital and bands using the same re-amping and pro-tool plug-ins it becomes all the same sound eventually.

You could easily say the same thing for metal that came out in the 80's. Pretty much all hair metal sounded the same, pretty much all glam sounded the same, death metal, thrash metal, etc... if you took out the vocals. Put Laaz Rockit, Defiance and Dark Angel together, without vocals. Put Kreator, Destruction, and Sodom together, without vocals. Poison, Warrant, and Ratt. I can go on and on. You fail to make a point here at all. If anything, I would actually consider the 80s to be the WORST decade for metal. At first glance, this sounds ludicrous, I know, but look at it this way. Everyone and their brother was playing metal in the 80s. You had so many crap bands that unfortunately some of the better bands never got the recognition that they deserved, or had to sell out to trends to get that recognition. Sure, the 80s, no doubt, had some of the greatest albums in our genre to come from that decade, but look at the great albums from that decade and compare them per capita to the terrible albums that came out that decade. Don't get me wrong, as I said some of my very favorite albums came out in that decade, but the 80s don't even compare to the 90s for me. I say that because that is when grunge hit the scene. When grunge hit, at least in North America, only the strongest of the metal bands were able to survive. You had bands like Annihilator, Iced Earth, Nevermore, Strapping Young Lad, Doctor Butcher, Fear Factory, Fight, Jag Panzer, Kamelot (granted the majority of their great material has come out since 2000), King Diamond, Pantera, Symphony X, etc... who still flew the flag for metal and put out almost consistent quality releases, while everyone else and their brother tried to do shitty garage rock or go into another facet of metal to try and somehow conform to trends (*cough Metallica *cough). As much as I love the 80s, the 90s will ALWAYS win out for me.

 

[J. Golden]

the 80's was kinda weak on metal,

What planet were you on dude? You mist have slept threw the 80s. Ok don't even reply I already know it will just make no sense.

 

[J. Golden]

never said there was no good DM in the 80s...my favorite death metal album of all time is Altars of Madness and that came out in 89. Plus of course the other bands you mentioned. However, Left Hand Path didn't even come out until 1990, Heartwork and Necroticism were early 90s, Cause of Death and The End Complete, etc.

Just the sheer number of quality releases being released after the year 1990 trumps the 80s output.

80s was never known for death metal. The seeds were still being planted in the 80s.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

you make fun of getting old, but mark my words right here right now. you will close your ranks when it comes to bands you love and you will go back to the bands that you made your strongest connections to when you were young.

i made fun of my dad when i was a kid and now i get it.

plus most new metal sucks and is 100% completely uninspired or rehashed from the 80's.

i guess i don't see how stale, stagnant, repetitively similar production to every band is a good thing. the bands that survive now are the ones who are able to set themselves off the from the packs in some fashion.

but ask yourselves this. if you put on a brand new (unheard) Sonata Arctica, Rhapsody, Kamelot or any other power metal band record and removed the vocals could you tell a difference? and this goes for death metal, etc etc. my point is because of digital production everything sounds the same and ONLY the vocalist sets them apart. where back in the day bands as a whole set themselves apart via songwriting, production, etc. sure there were obvious clones that came along but bands were different back then, but production played a big part to bands' sounds and with everything being digital and bands using the same re-amping and pro-tool plug-ins it becomes all the same sound eventually.

bottom line is we joke about commercial music on here all sounding the same, but we refuse to admit it's happening to all the genres we like in here.

old man - over and out.

What I don't understand about statements like this, and please, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you are bashing most new metal, and nu metal alike? Don't you sing for a nu metal band?

 

[J. Golden]

What did Metallica pave the way for? Did their Thrash releases open the doors for a million great Thrash bands? The success Metallica enjoyed began in full in 1991, as the genre was dying. Perhaps they've opened doors for touring partners like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Kid Rock, Korn, Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for My Valentine, etc.

I cannot believe that this question would be asked by anyone. Goddamn are you serious? I probably dislike Metallica more than anyone here, actually hate the band but cannot denied what they did. It is just f#*ckin stupid to suggest they did nothing for metal.
Zod dude you must still be trapped in the Phantom Zone.
And as for the albums you listed, well I'm personally not going on option one can easily see what these "classics" bands and albums have achieved. Well maybe not going on what I read here.

 

[J. Golden]

Let's see what we learned from the old, wise folk in the last page...

- Nevermore is nu-metal.
- If you play with a 7-string guitar, you're definitely a nu-metal band.
- Nevermore and most modern metal bands have no heart and are purely based on fake performances.
- The best death metal albums came out in the 80s. Actually, the best metal albums came out in the 80s, period. Therefore it feels good to be stuck in the 80s in 2010.
- Metallica and Queensryche still have musical integrity.
- If you don't belong to the 80s metal scene or don't appreciate the 80s metal bands, you're less of a metalhead than those who are.
- Music taste is not subjective. It's pretty clear: Your taste is right if you like old school metal.

If this is what becoming older does to your mind, then I need a cyanide pill now before I turn 30.

You're so clever.
Didn't I once hear that youth was wasted on the young? Obviously not knowledge.

 

[TribunalRecords]

What I don't understand about statements like this, and please, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you are bashing most new metal, and nu metal alike? Don't you sing for a nu metal band?

haha, you wish i sang for a nu-metal band so you throw that in my face. i scream for a metallic hardcore band. this song is from our 2007 album.

 

[AngraRULES]

You're so clever.
Didn't I once hear that youth was wasted on the young? Obviously not knowledge.

Dude, shouldn't you be worried about promoting your label and store on a forum (such as this one) instead of arguing and trying to sound like you're so much better than anyone else? I mean, plenty of times you have made snotty comments about the people in this forum and such... I can't help but wonder...

 

[dcowboys311]

haha, you wish i sang for a nu-metal band so you throw that in my face. i scream for a metallic hardcore band. this song is from our 2007 album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2lQiajEqc

LOL.

Warner strikes again.

 

[dcowboys311]

80s was never known for death metal. The seeds were still being planted in the 80s.

Never said they were.

I am saying that death and black metal > traditional metal, so since the 80s weren't known for those styles, they aren't the best decade for metal.

Pretty simple.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

haha, you wish i sang for a nu-metal band so you throw that in my face. i scream for a metallic hardcore band. this song is from our 2007 album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2lQiajEqc

Aren't they the same goddamn thing? Based on the wild descriptions of nu-metal being thrown around this thread, I thought they were. And I apologize, I forgot, SCREAM, not sing. There's a BIG difference. I've never been able to decide though, who has more of a voice on your records? You or the movie dialog playing every 15 seconds. You talk about these bands being completely uninspired or a rehashing of the 80s, I'm pretty sure this is a prime example of the first. Now, before we get into a pissing match over this, I'm not trying to be mean or poke fun, that's not my place or intent. I'm simply trying to point this out based on everything else you have said in this thread, where it somehow shouldn't apply to you for some reason.