Schecter Hellraiser, ESP LTD MH400nt or something else?

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I'm looking for a good mahogany superstrat metal guitar, and while researching I've learned that the competition is pretty tight. I've read a lot about these guitars, but I still can't seem to make up my mind. I want to replace my Schecter C-1 Classic (which is almost my ideal guitar). I've narrowed it down to these two, but maybe some of you can show me some other options. I've played the Hellraiser at Guitar Center once but not the LTD. I know guitar brand comparison threads can get touchy, but I'd like this thread to remain respectful if possible.

Here are the things I like about both guitars.

EMG's - I like the sound of the passives I have (JB + Jazz), but it'd be nice to finally go for the all out tried and true classic metal actives. Also I finally want to be able to record with dimmers around (I'm tired of shutting off lights to get rid of noise).

Stoptail - I don't like dealing with tremolos and I prefer the tone of stoptails. I also like to change tunings on the fly (without a tremol-no).

Set-Neck - For sustain

Mahogany Body - Same

Grover Tuners + Tom Bridge

24XJ frets

Around $700 (I'm willing to go up to a thousand)

What I like about the Hellraiser over the LTD

EMG Coil Tap - This new 2008 inclusion has made this guitar more competitive than ever. I like to record single coil tones at times, something that EMG's lacked until recently. My only reservation about the typical 85/81 setup has been tone versatility. The coil tapping feature remedies this pretty well. That said, I would still use the humbucking mode more often. Also it would be fun to experiment with pitch shifted bass tones with an active single coil.

Tone pros bridge

Overall Looks (but both look awesome)

What I like about the LTD over the Hellraiser

Earvana Nut - Who doesn't want improved intonation? I've read that the Earvana has no benefit (and possibly problems) on lower than standard tunings and thicker strings though. Can anyone chime in on this? I want to use 11's and tune C standard-ish.

Inlays - Not a big deal, but I prefer the minimalist look to the crosses.

Thinner neck - I admit I like thin necks which is one of the things I don't like about my Schecter C-1 Classic. I've played the Hellraiser once and I remember the neck being thinner than the Classic but thicker than my (retired) Ibanez JPM. It was actually pretty comfortable (but I remember playing some baseball thick Gibson's before touching the Schecter). I like to play guitar solos and sweep pick so neck comfort is important. The problem is that while I think the Hellraiser neck is decent, it seems that people unanimously agree that the LTD neck is faster. I'm stuck in Bergen, Norway right now and don't know where I could try out the ESP.

$20 cheaper (hey, that's $20 toward strings).

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So essentially what's making my decision difficult is the LTD's faster neck and the Hellraiser's coil tap feature. I am equally a musician as much as a producer so I can't easily trump one feature over the other. I have looked at other options, but I've ruled them out for one reason or another.

I couldn't find other guitars that offer as much of what I want in a similar price range. Please tell me anything that may tip me over the fence on these two guitars.
 
hey dude i was in the same situation a few months back, and i love my esps (ive got an old m100 with emgs in it from 10 years ago) but i went for the hellraiser c1, and OMG its one of the best value guitars ive ever played, the sound is soo tight and thick, with soo much power, the emgs are great coupled with the mahogony body, and the neck plays really well. plus you get top spec hardware on it!

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First off, it's coil-splitting, not coil-tapping, and I personally would find that utterly useless. Second, I agree that I MUCH prefer an LTD neck to a Hellraiser, and also, I'm so sick of the look of most Schecters (especially the Hellraisers), they all look the same to me (would you like Black or Black Cherry? Want something else? Too bad, conform! :goggly: ), so I vote LTD!
 
That white Hellraiser looks pretty sweet MetalJonsey.

The item listening for the 81tw at Musician's Friends states "Active Coil Tap Humbucker" so I thought it was called coil tapping. Anyways, I like having versatile sounds at my disposal since I frequently travel internationally and I can only reasonably carry around one guitar with me at a time.

Even if ESP had a million different colors and designs for their other guitars, I would still only have one option with the mh400nt while I have 3 with Schecter.

That said, I would probably go for the LTD if I tried it and found that I love the neck way more than the Hellraiser's. I can't imagine these guitars sounding drastically different given the specs, but I'd still be interested in hearing a comparison.

Metaltastic: How are the LTD necks compared to Ibanez guitars?
 
That white Hellraiser looks pretty sweet MetalJonsey.

The item listening for the 81tw at Musician's Friends states "Active Coil Tap Humbucker" so I thought it was called coil tapping. Anyways, I like having versatile sounds at my disposal since I frequently travel internationally and I can only reasonably carry around one guitar with me at a time.

Even if ESP had a million different colors and designs for their other guitars, I would still only have one option with the mh400nt while I have 3 with Schecter.

That said, I would probably go for the LTD if I tried it and found that I love the neck way more than the Hellraiser's. I can't imagine these guitars sounding drastically different given the specs, but I'd still be interested in hearing a comparison.

Metaltastic: How are the LTD necks compared to Ibanez guitars?

Hmm, maybe it is coil-tap then, but I think MF has just fallen victim to the common mistake; I'm not sure what the differences are exactly, but I know that "coil-tap" and "coil-split" are two different thins, and what the 81-TW's/89's do is split the coils to make single coils, thus coil-split. LTD necks to me are perfect, thicker than Ibanez necks but thinner than Schecter necks.
 
Jonesy...love the white C1 man :)

I would just like to say I've kept my EC-1000 out of all the other guitars I owned at one point. A lot of them were a lot more than it too... The neck fits me perfectly and I like everything about the guitar.

~006
 
Jonesy...love the white C1 man :)

I would just like to say I've kept my EC-1000 out of all the other guitars I owned at one point. A lot of them were a lot more than it too... The neck fits me perfectly and I like everything about the guitar.

~006

i love both esp's and schecters the same really, but at the moment, for the price the schecter has really hands down beaten the LTD
 
I had a Schecter Omen-7, which doesn't play in the same league as a Hellraiser and I totally hated it. The neck was...completely large. I would go the ltd/esp route, eventho I don't like each.
 
The only thing about the LTD I prefer over the Hellraiser's is the neck and possibly they don't dent as easy. Ive put a fair few in my Hellraiser without even knowing where as my LTD is spot on after double the time. Id still join the Hellraiser club however.
 
Jackson makes great guitars, but they seem to generally be a bit more expensive for less "special" components. Take the Jackson DKMGT for example. Its list price is 50 dollars higher than the Hellraiser but has bolt-on, is made with alder (yes, these two things are preference, but they're still cheaper), has normal plastic nut, Jackson stock bridge, and non-coil tapping EMGs. The Soloist SLSMG didn't even have active EMGs until 2006 (they had HZs instead). One of the reasons for this might be because they are made in Japan. It seems that a Japanese made guitar for under $600 like the DKMGT means either the factory workers are getting shafted on their wages or the guitar components are being compromised. I mean there are Korean made guitars listing for $1500 now. It seems like Jackson's (or Fender's) execs are still living in 1996. Even Taylor broke in 2006 and moved the production for their Baby series 50 miles south to Mexico without compromising quality.
 
For the record, ESP/LTD/Schecter are all one and the same, ownership and I think factories as well. On one of their sites it says they aren't affiliated, on another one of their sites it says they are, lol.

They are.

~006