I'm not concerned with their direct influences - I'm merely pointing out that there are dozens of bands who have done basically the same stuff over the years. At this point, all of the permutations of jazz + metal/hardcore have been beaten into the fucking ground, and all the spastic, ejaculatory interludes, harmonizing chick singers, goofy custom instruments and all the other trappings of conservatory chicken choking can't change the fact that we've heard it all before.
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Manbient
Queer Old Man
well at least we still have the ever evolving chameleon grand daddy of challenging intelligent music black metal avoiding doing the same things over and over amirite
You haven't been paying attention: there's been very little of note to emerge from the black metal scene lately either, so why don't you find a new strawman to whale away at, eh?
Alex78
Fretbuzz Virtuoso
Anarkissed
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Out of curiousity, do you find something wrong when someone finds that they are able to enjoy a band, even if that particular band may recycle things that have already been done?
Personally, when I find a band that sounds like other favourites of mine, it can be pretty exciting. Sure, they may not match up in terms of originality, but sometimes they can introduce different elements to older bands that I can find enjoyable.
Farmakon, for example. Even they openly admit that they essentially ripped their sound from Opeth, but I personally really enjoy what they have done - introducing little funk/jazz-type elements into the music, as well as taking a slightly more tongue-in-cheek approach.
Sure, we may indeed have heard it all before, but I say extra brownie points to listeners if they can find enjoyment in any of them.
Where did 'enjoyment' come into the equation. We're being told that these are 'challenging' and 'avant-garde' bands. That is the justification we're being given for listening to them. But, if they are, in fact, working already plowed terrain, then the entire point of listening to them as provided by the OP is right out the window.
Indrid Cold
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So…
If anybody has taken the time to read this ever mutating, bizarre thread all I was trying to say was that I enjoy these bands and that you MAY enjoy them too…but you may not. If you do not, that is cool.
Oh and to clarify… they are NOT challenging and NOT Avant-garde. After Scourge of God’s enlightening words of wisdom, I am not so sure that they are even metal.
I guess, in Scourge of God’s mind the only ORIGINAL challenging Avant-garde music that exists was created by the first human to play a polyrhythm on a log with a stick in some ancient prehistoric forest.
Have a good one…
Manbient
Queer Old Man
don't mind him. He just loves trying to show people they don't know as much as him and shouldn't be discussing music at any cost, unless they use no descriptive terms or mention if they like it or not. Just tell him he wins and you are but a lowly peon who has a lot of studying to do before your next post on a band you enjoy so you don't use the wrong words.
hibernal_dream
A Mind Forever Voyaging
I'd not sure I agree. Are we talking about the outright value of the music, or it's value to a particular type of listener? A book which presents new ideas is undoubtedly more valuable than another one following it which essentially embodies those same ideas. But when you come to talk about justification for reading (or listening) how does the fact the first book is out there diminish the value of the second to the reader/listener? In music especially, the value of something will often depend on the listener more than the actual music.
JoeVice
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I get this tiny inkling of feeling that Scourge of God posts the things he does on purpose, just to get a rise out of us. It's almost like he's challenging himself to defend the indefensible; twisting our subjective opinions into trivial objectivity.
I sort of enjoy it, to tell the truth. His posts are incredibly amusing.
I sort of enjoy it, to tell the truth. His posts are incredibly amusing.
Kenneth R.
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Opethian666
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You know, SOG, what you say may be partly correct, and some people may be thinking along the same lines, I just wonder why you feel the need to post it, when you know in advance what kind of reactions it will cause. Here's one explanation: you get enjoyment out of these kinds of reactions. That does make you special, but not in a positive way.
I like those bands. And they're not so generic in their genre if you listen to a lot of that kind of stuff (RIO/Avant-garde-influenced metal or whatever) and are capable of telling the difference. I especially like the sounds of SGM's homemade instruments, they give them a creepy vibe. I haven't listened to Unexpect much, but what I've heard reminds me quite a bit of EbonyLake, which is a good thing since they made only one (great) album before they split up.
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