so i did some acid yesterday

[AsModEe]

I'm willing to bet that you haven't got a damn clue how LSD works. The exact mechanism is uncertain, but it temporarily alters the brain's serotonin system to produce hallucinogenic effects. No, it doesn't make your brain bleed, or form crystals in your spinal cord, or any other bullshit urban legend. The theraputic index (ratio of active dose to estimated lethal dose) is so incredibly high that it's one of the least toxic drugs (of any kind, not just psychoactive) known to man. Educate yourself, dammit.

I was more referring to the bridge to schizophrenia drugs create. Educate myself you say? You're talking to someone who studied in science and has a history of doctors and engineers in his family. I know how some drugs work, I also took some psychology classes. They're not very fresh in memory, but I doubt my teachers taught us that altering the serotonin dose in your cephalic system is very good for yourself.

 

[MFJ]

Hey, I wouldn't mind it if all drugs became legal. Population control...

They certainly would take care of the weak ones!

 

[AsModEe]

the problem is not the whether it becomes legal or not, it's more the people who will abuse the system. But hey, why not make everything legal? We'll see how long humanity last.

 

[lizard]

if you legalized drugs you would partially eliminate the criminal element and add a new tax revenue stream for the govt.

 

[MFJ]

Didn't the crime rates (including the use of hard drugs like X, heroin, and coke) in Amsterdam lower significantly when they began to tolerate Marijuana and psilocybin use?

answer: yes

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

if you legalized drugs you would partially eliminate the criminal element and add a new tax revenue stream for the govt.

My point exactly. The pot industry is my province's most profitable industry. If we could tax that we'd make alberta seem poor (them and their fucking oil).

Plus we'd save money on them busting all these minor offenders for dealing/buying/smoking pot.

 

[AsModEe]

I'm not really against legalizing pot. I'm getting used to my roomate who can't make it through the day without being high (which is pathetic imo). It's annoying, but what can I do about it.

 

[lizard]

live and let live, I say.

 

[AsModEe]

in most cases, live and let die is more appropriate

 

[cthulufhtagn]

Crack is for my pals? I love how you so deftly implied that.

haha, you know that's not what i meant. i just despise the whole "drugs are for goddamn my pals gook spic trash people", it's just a bunch of ignorant white-power garbage and i'll call somebody out on that bullshit every time i see it. white supremacists are scum, period, and i have no respect or tolerance for anyone who uses that kind of thinking. [/rant]


and for the record, there is an established correlation between crack and african-americans. just like there is an established correlation between meth and white americans.

 

[grazim]

I doubt my teachers taught us that altering the serotonin dose in your cephalic system is very good for yourself.

A huge portion of the psychiatric drugs prescribed today do just that. Even without outside chemical influence, the serotonin system is in constant flux. Hell, when you eat turkey, you're altering your serotonin system. Of course, overstimulation of that system can lead to many problems such as serotonin syndrome, but no one here is advocating the irresponsible drug use that causes that.

Actually, you don't have to have it in your family. Studies showed that anyone who have used marijuana 25 times or more are six times as likely to develop schizophrenia. There are no concrete studies on acid and shit like that yet, ut the number of people, here in Norway anyways, that have been checked into psychiatric wards really speak for themselves.

Correlation does not imply causality. For example, studies have also shown that people with mental disorders are predisposed to "self-medicate" with drugs. Manipulated statistics are no substitution for a substantiated causal link between marijuana use and schizophrenia. If one had been found, you can damn well bet we would be hearing about it. Also, I'd be seriously interested to hear how exactly how many people are in Norwegian psychiatric wards for genuine hallucinogen-induced psychosis. Not many, I'm guessing, not compared to the casualties of alcohol and other addictive drugs.

No one here is telling anyone they should do drugs, and we certainly aren't advocating drug abuse. We aren't talking about doing meth and crack and heroin. I don't see why it's so hard for people to understand that there is a middle ground here, just like with anything else. All this really boils down to is cultural prejudice. Marijuana, psilocybin, mescaline, DMT and many other psychoactive drugs have been safely and productively used by people around the world for millennia.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

No one here is telling anyone they should do drugs, and we certainly aren't advocating drug abuse. We aren't talking about doing meth and crack and heroin. I don't see why it's so hard for people to understand that there is a middle ground here, just like with anything else. All this really boils down to is cultural prejudice. Marijuana, psilocybin, mescaline, DMT and many other psychoactive drugs have been safely and productively used by people around the world for millennia.

well put

 

[grazim]

My mainpoint is and has been before (when this topic has been discussed here), that people that supports NSBM and related topics, these so called neo-nazis, should not stand behind drugs and in my eyes, using that kind of substances makes them as weak as the people they despise. It's like they sacrifice the higher level for personal amusement and steps down to the lower culture-level.

As a nationalist Finn, you're aware, I'm sure, of the traditional use of Amanita muscaria by the pre-Christian culture of your country.

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

M-Ngobo-*pop-click*'ntar never checked into psych ward from talky-to-goddy ceremony.

 

[JayKeeley]

My mainpoint is and has been before (when this topic has been discussed here), that people that supports NSBM and related topics, these so called neo-nazis, should not stand behind drugs and in my eyes, using that kind of substances makes them as weak as the people they despise. It's like they sacrifice the higher level for personal amusement and steps down to the lower culture-level.

I guess this is wrong forum for me with opinions like this.

It's not the wrong forum, but at the same time, I don't think we have any real neo-nazis here so nobody's being hypocritical.

That said, it's fucked up logic. I've yet to see or hear about a neo-nazi that purposely avoids alcohol/drug abuse etc just to remain at the "higher level". Religious people maybe, or straight edge hardcore fans perhaps, but I've never thought of neo-nazi's as being 'squeaky clean' assets to society. On the contrary, they're more likely going to be labelled "white trash".

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

I draw the line on some weed from time to time with a couple of mates. Speed, acid and all that sorta shit is to much you don't know what the fuck could be in it.

that's why you get a really good weed buz before you do any other drug
sometimes acid has cocaine or crystal meth slipped in and that's a really bad trip if you do that sober, but if you get a strong enough weed buz first, then the coke/meth effect will either be reduced or pleasurable

 

[neal]

It's not the wrong forum, but at the same time, I don't think we have any real neo-nazis here so nobody's being hypocritical.

That said, it's fucked up logic. I've yet to see or hear about a neo-nazi that purposely avoids alcohol/drug abuse etc just to remain at the "higher level". Religious people maybe, or straight edge hardcore fans perhaps, but I've never thought of neo-nazi's as being 'squeaky clean' assets to society. On the contrary, they're more likely going to be labelled "white trash".

totally. the neo-nazi population in this country has got to be at least 80% tweakers (methamphetamine users).

 

[M.Lehto]

It's not the wrong forum, but at the same time, I don't think we have any real neo-nazis here so nobody's being hypocritical.

That said, it's fucked up logic. I've yet to see or hear about a neo-nazi that purposely avoids alcohol/drug abuse etc just to remain at the "higher level". Religious people maybe, or straight edge hardcore fans perhaps, but I've never thought of neo-nazi's as being 'squeaky clean' assets to society. On the contrary, they're more likely going to be labelled "white trash".

As I cleared my statement a bit before, the things I wrote are not just about this forum, but a real life.

What Grazim wrote before, I'm not aware of the name of the substance you wrote, but I know that some "natural drugs" were used, mostly when trying to connect to Tuonela and to visit the deads there, unless they were too deep to reach = hauensuoli.

I know this whole drug-thing is not so easy to judge, for example when Finland was in war, soldiers took drugs to survive, however many of them got caught to those and we have/had these old men addicted to drugs.

I have my opinion, you have yours, it's that simple. I just dislike addicts, as I have to face them almost every day at my work.

 

[grazim]

Amanita Muscaria = Fly Agaric mushroom

 

[grazim]

stupid shit

Go away.