Felix Neumann
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It´s not only speed - phrasing and feeling is it and your phrasing is phantastic! As I told you once...you´re a young fucker, GO ON!!
soloing: character/style or boredom/limitation?
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It´s not only speed - phrasing and feeling is it and your phrasing is phantastic! As I told you once...you´re a young fucker, GO ON!!
Skinny Viking
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Felix Neumann
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A German monk had drunk too much, it was written wrong and so provides
So BLAME THE CHRISTIANS!!!
Skinny Viking
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A German monk had drunk too much, it was written wrong and so provides
So BLAME THE CHRISTIANS!!!
That's what I thought
damn christians
K Odell
\=/Varnisher\=/
I like Jeff battle with that same deal. I am so heavily influenced by the Amott brothers and Wichers that its hard for me to get away from that style.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/324317/Solo.mp3
As for soloing in general I don't really care about speed or anything. I mostly get into vibe and feel. If someone plays a huge note with just the right vibrato it will win me over long before any shreddy bs.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/324317/Solo.mp3
As for soloing in general I don't really care about speed or anything. I mostly get into vibe and feel. If someone plays a huge note with just the right vibrato it will win me over long before any shreddy bs.
Felix Neumann
Member
That's what I thought
damn christians
Seriously, that´s what I heared about the H mysterie. I totally ignore the H and teach B to my students. But yeah...damn christians!
Totally agree with that!
GarethSE
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Each and every one of us on this forum has the innate ability to perform a solo that is of a style totally unique to the person in question, the problem is that it gets stifled by expectations and influences.
I was just talking to a friend about all these guys who search for Eddie Van Halen's tone and his playing style and replicating it to a tee, and they're never ever happy with anything they make, ever.
And I just thought.. I wonder fucking why?
With all of us and our music a deep seated representation of who we are is desperately trying to get out and then people start talking about their "influences" and such, or they think about theory and scales, modes and boxes and such.
I see this as stifling the "you" inside you who is trying to get out through your music, and then people complain that they don't think their style is "good enough" or something to that extent.
I've found over the past year I have found the ability to tap into that representation of self that wants to come out through my music and just let him out with complete and total ease, strangely similarly to how David Lynch talks about his ideas coming to him fully formed and already overwhelmingly beautiful because of it, and I have thus become happy with pretty much every single piece of music I have performed this year.
Please, set aside your "influences;" set aside scales, modes, boxes, theory; set aside your worries about your style and just YOU flow through your instrument. If the YOU that flows through your instrument ends up sound like a duck having an epileptic fit, is that not beautiful just because it's coming straight from your soul? If it sounds like a bird above beautiful landscapes, that is fine. Whatever that inner voice is, just follow it. Turn off your brain and turn the keys to the on position for your intuition.
If any of you meditate, try combining meditation and music.
I'd love to hear someone have a crack at taking my post to heart and improvising some form of piece of music, be it a solo, an ambient piece, something more classically or acoustically inclined, whatever it may be. You can apply this to any facet of musicianship.
Most importantly, don't worry about it, just enjoy it, is that not why we all took up an instrument in the first place? Because it brought us some kind of joy that we couldn't truly explain with words? Try and tune into that thing that made you stay up until 5am every night when you got your first guitar, playing from your soul for yourself and for nobody else. Whatever comes out may be the most commercially viable pop or the most screwed up of avant-garde free jazz, as long as it's genuine it's a beautiful thing.
I was just talking to a friend about all these guys who search for Eddie Van Halen's tone and his playing style and replicating it to a tee, and they're never ever happy with anything they make, ever.
And I just thought.. I wonder fucking why?
With all of us and our music a deep seated representation of who we are is desperately trying to get out and then people start talking about their "influences" and such, or they think about theory and scales, modes and boxes and such.
I see this as stifling the "you" inside you who is trying to get out through your music, and then people complain that they don't think their style is "good enough" or something to that extent.
I've found over the past year I have found the ability to tap into that representation of self that wants to come out through my music and just let him out with complete and total ease, strangely similarly to how David Lynch talks about his ideas coming to him fully formed and already overwhelmingly beautiful because of it, and I have thus become happy with pretty much every single piece of music I have performed this year.
Please, set aside your "influences;" set aside scales, modes, boxes, theory; set aside your worries about your style and just YOU flow through your instrument. If the YOU that flows through your instrument ends up sound like a duck having an epileptic fit, is that not beautiful just because it's coming straight from your soul? If it sounds like a bird above beautiful landscapes, that is fine. Whatever that inner voice is, just follow it. Turn off your brain and turn the keys to the on position for your intuition.
If any of you meditate, try combining meditation and music.
I'd love to hear someone have a crack at taking my post to heart and improvising some form of piece of music, be it a solo, an ambient piece, something more classically or acoustically inclined, whatever it may be. You can apply this to any facet of musicianship.
Most importantly, don't worry about it, just enjoy it, is that not why we all took up an instrument in the first place? Because it brought us some kind of joy that we couldn't truly explain with words? Try and tune into that thing that made you stay up until 5am every night when you got your first guitar, playing from your soul for yourself and for nobody else. Whatever comes out may be the most commercially viable pop or the most screwed up of avant-garde free jazz, as long as it's genuine it's a beautiful thing.
D.Vial
Monster Lick
I guess that having your own trademark is a good thing (when your trademark is actually good thing), and specially now, when all modern metal guitar players seem to have this generic-perfect- guitar playing style. we are out of "Friedmans", "Skolnicks" ..
Skinny Viking
¯\(°_o)/¯ How do Lydian?
I actually did try doing that for a little while and this is what I came up with:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/594184/Dreamcatcher2.mp3
To be fair, I was also listening to a LOT of Kitaro during that time period ... I always liked this piece and had wanted to write more like it but, well, life kinda got in the way.
P-E
Munchkin
It´s not only speed - phrasing and feeling is it and your phrasing is phantastic! As I told you once...you´re a young fucker, GO ON!!
Hey Felix, just wondering, why do you always spell fantastic with a ph?
Skinny Viking
¯\(°_o)/¯ How do Lydian?
probably because its more phun to spell it that way
haha
nah, it's the old german spelling (or is it still spelled with a ph?) like "foto" use to be spelled "photo"..now "Foto" is the correct form in German.
countless examples...most of the new spellings SUCK compared to the old ones...they just came up with it cause people are growing more and more retarded, so they tried to simplify the language...fucked everything up bigtime
Skinny Viking
¯\(°_o)/¯ How do Lydian?
^ In English the correct spelling is actually just "fantastic" but we still spell "photo" with the ph
Flat Fifth Fury
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I liken soloing to two things: 1) giving a speech where you are making a set of statements that you believe in and are a reflection of who you are, and 2) a composition within a composition that expands/reflects on it's surroundings.
We all have a certain amount of vocabulary and ideas. How we put the two together becomes our style of communication be it verbal or musical. Some are very good and putting coherent thoughts together in real time but rarely are they as eloquent and stirring as when you take some time to work out the details. I believe that when you sit and write down your thoughts you will see where you want to clarify your intention. As a soloist do you tend to use a set of "stock" licks because if you start writing your solos you will see easily when that happens and will be able to search out other ideas that may push you into new territory.
I am not the soloist that I would like to be so I do agonize over writing them so that they flow from idea to idea so that the solo is a concise oration built upon smaller musical statements that takes you from point A to point Z. Simply hitting "Record" and letting rip a few times tends to bring you to the place where you are playing what you are most familiar with rather than necessarily what the piece needs or deserves.
So for growth as a soloist I'd say find the licks that you over use and make an effort not to use them and thus force you to fill those holes some other way. Also try to write a very long solo so that you have to make sense for a much longer period of time.
Example: I was part of a virtual jam a while ago working over a backing track. I took it as a challenge because I never really do solos that are longer than about 15-20 seconds tops. So to do one that was 3 minutes made me think a lot. It wasn't till after I had completed the whole thing did I realize that I didn't play in my usual style but in one that seemed to fit the piece. I was amazed at the musical ideas that I pulled out of nowhere for it that were in many instances things that I just didn't have in my vocabulary. That piece is here:
We all have a certain amount of vocabulary and ideas. How we put the two together becomes our style of communication be it verbal or musical. Some are very good and putting coherent thoughts together in real time but rarely are they as eloquent and stirring as when you take some time to work out the details. I believe that when you sit and write down your thoughts you will see where you want to clarify your intention. As a soloist do you tend to use a set of "stock" licks because if you start writing your solos you will see easily when that happens and will be able to search out other ideas that may push you into new territory.
I am not the soloist that I would like to be so I do agonize over writing them so that they flow from idea to idea so that the solo is a concise oration built upon smaller musical statements that takes you from point A to point Z. Simply hitting "Record" and letting rip a few times tends to bring you to the place where you are playing what you are most familiar with rather than necessarily what the piece needs or deserves.
So for growth as a soloist I'd say find the licks that you over use and make an effort not to use them and thus force you to fill those holes some other way. Also try to write a very long solo so that you have to make sense for a much longer period of time.
Example: I was part of a virtual jam a while ago working over a backing track. I took it as a challenge because I never really do solos that are longer than about 15-20 seconds tops. So to do one that was 3 minutes made me think a lot. It wasn't till after I had completed the whole thing did I realize that I didn't play in my usual style but in one that seemed to fit the piece. I was amazed at the musical ideas that I pulled out of nowhere for it that were in many instances things that I just didn't have in my vocabulary. That piece is here:
P-E
Munchkin
haha
nah, it's the old german spelling (or is it still spelled with a ph?) like "foto" use to be spelled "photo"..now "Foto" is the correct form in German.
countless examples...most of the new spellings SUCK compared to the old ones...they just came up with it cause people are growing more and more retarded, so they tried to simplify the language...fucked everything up bigtime
Thanks for the clarification, very interesting!
P-E
Munchkin
Felix Neumann
Member
Haha you guys are phucking fantastic! Thanks Lasse for bringing the clarity.
Now we have solved the "H" mysterie and the "PH" thingy...what´s next?
Thanks Lasse for bringing the clarity. Now we have solved the "H" mysterie and the "PH" thingy...what´s next?
Skinny Viking
¯\(°_o)/¯ How do Lydian?
Skinny Viking
¯\(°_o)/¯ How do Lydian?
Hahahahaha
Thanks mate! I really appreciate that ... it was pretty much a one time experiment for me but I've always had it in my head to try and get back into that kind of headspace and see if I can bang out another
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