Steve should be on Opeth's next album

Well, that's a very different discussion, and it doesn't really matters who's following who...it's more about the balance...having very extreme guitar virituosity and just straight ahead bass lines AC/DC style, just sounds bad, right? But that's the case many times, lead guitarists are quite egocentric if you ask me.............balance means everything in my world, where the gods are great, but I'm the greatest...hehehehehehehe

mr V
 
Originally posted by Vintersorg
Well, that's a very different discussion, and it doesn't really matters who's following who...it's more about the balance...having very extreme guitar virituosity and just straight ahead bass lines AC/DC style, just sounds bad, right? But that's the case many times, lead guitarists are quite egocentric if you ask me.............balance means everything in my world, where the gods are great, but I'm the greatest...hehehehehehehe

mr V
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Ha!
Of course you like hearing the bass,you work with Steve AND Tyr!
Greedy man.
 
Originally posted by Vintersorg
Well, that's a very different discussion, and it doesn't really matters who's following who...it's more about the balance...having very extreme guitar virituosity and just straight ahead bass lines AC/DC style, just sounds bad, right? But that's the case many times, lead guitarists are quite egocentric if you ask me.............balance means everything in my world, where the gods are great, but I'm the greatest...hehehehehehehe

mr V
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Maybe I should clarify my post just a bit. In some songs and parts of others it can fit real well when the bass plays right underneath the guitar. It can be very effective. But, at all times in almost every song....b o r i n g. If the bass player writes the music, does that certainly mean that he has to play the bass as the guitar would be played? I think not! I believe it would help temendously to write a great bass line to compliment the nice guitar riff/hook he wrote. It's all about the layers. :err:
 
It's not really about guitar following bass or bass following guitar...
It's point - counterpoint. There should be an even trade of dominance (well, maybe not in guitar driven metal...I've got to stop thinking like the jazz weenie that I am...), anyway for example: A few Sadus songs I've written, I've written on bass but provided a different guitar part for them as well. Maybe it sucks to write two parts at once all the time, but how else are you going to get some distance between the instruments? So there are times when you need to lock in together for the sake of the "riff", it does become more powerful and obvious. But man, most of the parts you're hearing are so simplistic that you can even do something so subtle that draws attention but is still effective. We're not talking about over-playing all the time, just making something interesting and fun to play. And only when it doesn't get in the way of the point of playing the damm song too. Most of the time it's not what to play, but when to step out of the unison lines and offer something else. I still have the challenge of finding this balance, but in my world my soul's connection is the thrive of reflection...
 
Steve- Your playing is great and I don't think finding balance in your music seems to be a big problem for you. One example that comes to mind that adds "balance" to the music is the bass style of Timi Hansen from Mercyful Fate/King Diamond. I love the way it blends with the straight-forward riffs just so nicely. I guess it really isn't the 'IN' thing right now, but if that's the way it is, I'd rather be 'OUT'.
 
Originally posted by Tyr
That kind of attitude is the main reason for musical stagnation...
"OH NO! The bass is moving , it's entirely against my pre-determined definition of bass playing , it MUST be stopped!!!! IT'S AN ABOMINATION!!!!!!!!!"

:p
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No. As the band leader, he has his preference as to how he wanted the bass to sound, and changed bass players accordingly. This has nothing to do with musical stagnation. Adventurous, sprawling basslines just don't work for a lot of bands -- Slayer, Immortal, etc.

I'd say the main reason for musical stagnation is bands trying not to let down their fans, like ACDC releasing the same (albeit lower quality) albums time and again. Progression is obviously the opposite, and it has nothing to do with predetermined definitions of bass playing...
 
Originally posted by Immortal Rites
That was the exact reason their old bassist, Johan, got canned. Mikael Akerfeldt doesn't like that style of bass playing.
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I only just got around to reading this. This is not true, or if it is, it's not the whole story. Mike said in an interview (I have it, so I can quote him if you want) that Johan got the flick because he was demanding song publishing money, despite never having written any of the riffs, and hardly any of his own basslines.

Carry on.... :D
 
Originally posted by Eternal_Decadent
I really like Steve DiGiorgio bass playing , but like Steve himself said let him to choose a band that works perfectly instead of forced and troublesome bands . Maybe Opeth is not his choice , indeed.
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I don't think it was really necessary to post that. I think the person who started this thread merely meant that it might sound cool, I doubt they were trying to force Steve into playing in Opeth. If I said Steve should play on Enemies of Reality I'm not really expecting it to happen.
 
Originally posted by TrueBeliever
I don't think it was really necessary to post that. I think the person who started this thread merely meant that it might sound cool, I doubt they were trying to force Steve into playing in Opeth. If I said Steve should play on Enemies of Reality I'm not really expecting it to happen.
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Haha.
I will make him him play in Opeth!
He is a puppet on my strings.
Anyway,you're correct. I simply meant his style of weavyness would sound cool with some Opeth parts.The heavier parts though.Not the atmospheric chord sustaining parts.
 
Originally posted by yourdeadgroom
I only just got around to reading this. This is not true, or if it is, it's not the whole story. Mike said in an interview (I have it, so I can quote him if you want) that Johan got the flick because he was demanding song publishing money, despite never having written any of the riffs, and hardly any of his own basslines.

Carry on.... :D
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I got a brave words and bloody knuckles where Mike says he got the boot because he wanted to continue further along the lines of Orchid and Morningrise and they wanted to do more "down-picking" riffs. Now quit bitching and realize that it was creative difference's!!! :lol:

 
Originally posted by yourdeadgroom
I only just got around to reading this. This is not true, or if it is, it's not the whole story. Mike said in an interview (I have it, so I can quote him if you want) that Johan got the flick because he was demanding song publishing money, despite never having written any of the riffs, and hardly any of his own basslines.

Carry on.... :D
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When was this interview from? I have an Opeth interview in Metal Maniacs from around the time Still Life was released and Mike says basically what I posted. I would quote it, but I didn't bring any of my old Maniacs issues with me to college.
 
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