TB666
Member
TB666 said:
So, I answer......don't actually know...it will be both beneficial and not I guess... the Yes side of course say it will be better in all aspects..while the No side say the same, but the opposite.
mr V
I was in Göteborg the other day and it was full of Nej/ till euron bases, badges, posters!
ingen jävla euro!
i don´t know if it´s necessary to have the euro everywhere...
ingen jävla euro!
i don´t know if it´s necessary to have the euro everywhere...
Melancholia
Eternal daydreamer
Djöfull said:
men varför?
actually both the "ja" side and the "nej" side have their advantages and disadvantages...and in the very end i think that it would be more or less the same...if sweden keeps its krona some things will be worse and some better than with the euro,but at the same time if sweden choses euro some things will be better and some things worse than with the crown...I guess in both cases there's sth to win and sth to lose.....I think though that euro can make a country's economy stronger,which is of course what a government needs,but at the same time maybe f.e. some products will become more expensive,which is for sure not beneficial for the people...
Btw,i read in the newspaper that if Sweden decides to get euro they will start with it the 1st of January 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!! i expected it to be earlier...
and on question to the swedes about the "folkomröstning", if the people say "no",will also the government say "no" or it is somehow not so powerful?
Pagan said:
That's true...our prime minister have actually told us that....if you don't say yes this time..it'll be another voting...which of course is totally disrespectful to the peoples voices...but goverments are goverments...they choose their own laws!!
mr V
TB666
Member
Mr.V did answer that 
I will vote yes because i belive this is a project that will take a long time before we will see positive things so I think we should join now instead of waiting and see what happens to the other country's with euro.
Us swedish people have a history to be brave but most swedish people are such cowards. Like we don't want nuclear power but we don't know how to provide energy without it. We want to be a member of EU but we don't want to go a the way. we are such hypocritesuke:
I will vote yes because i belive this is a project that will take a long time before we will see positive things so I think we should join now instead of waiting and see what happens to the other country's with euro.
Us swedish people have a history to be brave but most swedish people are such cowards. Like we don't want nuclear power but we don't know how to provide energy without it. We want to be a member of EU but we don't want to go a the way. we are such hypocrites
uke:
actually the ONLY bad point on changing the currency to euro would be the a small raise on Sweden's inflation which obviously would be rather pointless in the long term...and only the normal people would notice the first two years.
For the rest (macroeconomically speaking) getting into the euro is one of the best options to hope for...oh, yeah!
and sincerely, i don't understand why it's really done by referendum...since normal people are normally not aware on the broad effects that the euro can bring and most of the people just think in the raise of prices, the increasing confussion of the change and eventually that the good ol' kronor will die...which is the point in being a master in economy if when you reach a position to take decision for the wealth of your country the people who can't distinguish between macroeconomy and microeconomy will do the voting...well anyway
cheers
fv
For the rest (macroeconomically speaking) getting into the euro is one of the best options to hope for...oh, yeah!
and sincerely, i don't understand why it's really done by referendum...since normal people are normally not aware on the broad effects that the euro can bring and most of the people just think in the raise of prices, the increasing confussion of the change and eventually that the good ol' kronor will die...which is the point in being a master in economy if when you reach a position to take decision for the wealth of your country the people who can't distinguish between macroeconomy and microeconomy will do the voting...well anyway
cheers
fv
The thing is, noone actually really knows if euro is good or bad. If one expert says its good, and another expert says its bad, who do you believe? We common people should be able to rely on the experts, but one of them must be wrong. So in the end all you can do is guess.
Hell Mike
fuck melodic black metal
If I could vote, I'd vote yes (I can't because I don't turn 18 'til midwinter) and there are tons of reasons to do so while no good reason against. Most peope I've heard just say they don't want to be like the USA because the hate it, but they can't seem to understand that the whole idea with EU (Including EMU/using the same currency) is to counter the americans and the dollar so they don't get global trade domination.
And, my own personal strongest reason for a yes: It'll be easier ordering records from outside of sweden because I don't have to go change money every damn time.
And, my own personal strongest reason for a yes: It'll be easier ordering records from outside of sweden because I don't have to go change money every damn time.
It's both complex an not...The swedish central bank wants to have the opportunity to change the inflation and taxe on the physical properties by themselves, and with the Euro some claim that we don't have that opportunity anymore, but on the other hand our central bank follow the the value of the ECB, last time the ECB changed the value, the Swedish central bank followed it exactly,,,20 minutes after...so it's just very hard to get an opinion, usualy the voting, even if it's for or against, it complement the upper class, those in the goverment that are againts it and say that would be the effect, but they're themself upper class...so.....
I´m from Germany and I like the Euro.
It´s true that many things got more expensive since start of the euro, but especially when you like to travel, the Euro is great. You don´t need to change your money, and you can pay with the money you don´t needed, at home. And of course, you can compare every price without calculating.
This is only important for travelling. If you are at home, you don´t have these advantages.
But you can collect foreign coins. Sounds very unimportant, but makes shopping much more interessting (really!).
Often it is said, that you´ll miss your old money. I got used to the new currency in some days. No problem.
My arguments maybe don´t sound very convincing, but personally I am happy that Germany is a part of "Euroland".
And the political/economical view: (examples)
+ no more fees und risks for changing
- easier to produce in a cheaper country, more umemployment, more transport
+ unites Europe more
- one centralbank rules different country´s economy
As you said: advantages and disadvatages.
My advice for you all: Vote for the Euro, but it is your decision.
P.S.: Sorry about my english, i´m a bit out of practice at the moment
It´s true that many things got more expensive since start of the euro, but especially when you like to travel, the Euro is great. You don´t need to change your money, and you can pay with the money you don´t needed, at home. And of course, you can compare every price without calculating.
This is only important for travelling. If you are at home, you don´t have these advantages.
But you can collect foreign coins. Sounds very unimportant, but makes shopping much more interessting (really!).
Often it is said, that you´ll miss your old money. I got used to the new currency in some days. No problem.
My arguments maybe don´t sound very convincing, but personally I am happy that Germany is a part of "Euroland".
And the political/economical view: (examples)
+ no more fees und risks for changing
- easier to produce in a cheaper country, more umemployment, more transport
+ unites Europe more
- one centralbank rules different country´s economy
As you said: advantages and disadvatages.
My advice for you all: Vote for the Euro, but it is your decision.
P.S.: Sorry about my english, i´m a bit out of practice at the moment
The Nomad
Where am I?
Stefader said:
Actually, bot of them can be wrong. The thing about economics is that it's not an exact science. The basic principles, supply and demand, and so on, seem to work well, but as you move to larger and more complex systems, it is more difficult to predict. Essentially, economics tries to predict the choices that ordinary people make based on changes in price. And people don't always act logically, which can often give unexpected results to changes in monetary policy. Business are a bit more predictable because there are general guidlines on how to make more money, when is it good to borrow, etc. But changes in management practices, hiring policies, and so on, can often invalidate old economic theory.
(I'm not an economist, but this is how I see it).
w/r/t the Euro, it IS both good and bad. There are areas that it is good, and some that it is bad. I haven't studied the issues because they don't affect me, but I pay attention to the news on occasion. One of the major downsides, as I see it, is that if a single country is having a worse economic downturn than the rest of the EU (like Germany), the country's central bank is limited in the corrective action it is allowed to take, which may prolong the bad times. But, if what Vintersorg said is true, that probably won't be an issue for Sweden.
huh, I never realized I was this opinionated on this subject...
the point is that the euro don't make any difference in the economic guidelines...All EU countries (euro or not) are under the guidelines of the ECB and to get into the EU all the countries compromised in following its guidelines and never making corrections by themselves. This has been "changed" twice as Germany and France couldn't follow up the stated guidelines. Anyway, national banks *no matter which their currency is* follow the ECB.
So, euro or not euro it will only affect in external trade and exchange fees...
As I said, the only drawback that it will give to the common swedish inhabitant is that prices might raise the first semester of 2006 (which is the year that the euro would be introduced).
Probably that's what the "against" economists fear, a slight peak on the inflation, but then the external balance will increase so it's worth the pain!
I'm finishing my economics degree and we've discussed the matter millions of times...but in the end uniting economies and currencies...so far...has proved it's efficiency (always in capitalist economies!!!)
So, euro or not euro it will only affect in external trade and exchange fees...
As I said, the only drawback that it will give to the common swedish inhabitant is that prices might raise the first semester of 2006 (which is the year that the euro would be introduced).
Probably that's what the "against" economists fear, a slight peak on the inflation, but then the external balance will increase so it's worth the pain!
I'm finishing my economics degree and we've discussed the matter millions of times...but in the end uniting economies and currencies...so far...has proved it's efficiency (always in capitalist economies!!!)
Morgana
Vintermagi
Well, I'm not a friend of the Euro and if I could have vote I would have vote against it...
When I find time I'll explain it...
Here in Germany 1 1/2 years before the Euro the shop dealers put up to 100% on top of the prices and they thought we won't notice... and when the Euro came many just exchanged the letters "DM" for "€" so another 50% on top... so people can't buy much anymore... I actually try to fight those rip offs...
When I find time I'll explain it...
Here in Germany 1 1/2 years before the Euro the shop dealers put up to 100% on top of the prices and they thought we won't notice... and when the Euro came many just exchanged the letters "DM" for "€" so another 50% on top... so people can't buy much anymore... I actually try to fight those rip offs...
Salix said:I´m from Germany and I like the Euro.
It´s true that many things got more expensive since start of the euro, but especially when you like to travel, the Euro is great. You don´t need to change your money, and you can pay with the money you don´t needed, at home. And of course, you can compare every price without calculating.
This is only important for travelling. If you are at home, you don´t have these advantages.
But you can collect foreign coins. Sounds very unimportant, but makes shopping much more interessting (really!).
Often it is said, that you´ll miss your old money. I got used to the new currency in some days. No problem.
My arguments maybe don´t sound very convincing, but personally I am happy that Germany is a part of "Euroland".
And the political/economical view: (examples)
+ no more fees und risks for changing
- easier to produce in a cheaper country, more umemployment, more transport
+ unites Europe more
- one centralbank rules different country´s economy
As you said: advantages and disadvatages.
My advice for you all: Vote for the Euro, but it is your decision.
P.S.: Sorry about my english, i´m a bit out of practice at the moment
...And one bank to rule them all
Hehe, skämt åsido, there more to it than comparing prices and not needing to exchange money when travelling. So what if I know what a tomato costs in Italy. I still won't go there to by one. And it's not very hard to go to a bank to exchange money. We become part of a bigger system, and because we're not a big part we will find it hard to have any influence. If Sweden needs to change the interest rates but the rest of EU doesn't nothing will happen, because Sweden is such a small country.
Light said:
But I like my 1-krona coin!
the design - the guy on the back...it's a pretyy coin... :Spin:
Hell Mike
fuck melodic black metal
MetalMarianne - If you really like the looks of our king you should consider lobotomy...
It's much funnier with the euro where sweden+finland make balls and a dick
It's much funnier with the euro where sweden+finland make balls and a dick
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