Suggest band ideas for HC 3
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haha, yeah. I think I even remember seeing a picture of him with that hair and in some infantry shirt.
EricT
Don't you ever get...
I always thought Varg wore wigs, because every picture taken he has a different hair style. Not to mention he has a different belief system every month...
"I'm a NAZI!"
"Now, I'm a Nihilist!"
"Now, I'm a Firetruck: WEEWOOH WEEWOOH!"
"I'm a NAZI!"
"Now, I'm a Nihilist!"
"Now, I'm a Firetruck: WEEWOOH WEEWOOH!"
And then it was odalism.
Lots of entertaining personalities in metal: Varg, Rob Darken, Glenn Benton, and oh so many more.
Lots of entertaining personalities in metal: Varg, Rob Darken, Glenn Benton, and oh so many more.
EricT
Don't you ever get...
Gaahl is the funnest to watch.
"Gaahl got out of prison today, on a related note, he was also arrested today for threatening an old lady by telling her if she didn't speed up on her walker that he would ass-rape her in the name of Satan."
"Gaahl got out of prison today, on a related note, he was also arrested today for threatening an old lady by telling her if she didn't speed up on her walker that he would ass-rape her in the name of Satan."
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
I'm fairly certain the phrase at the bottom of that t-shirt is the slogan for Super Natural music, Drudkh's record label.But their Autumn Aurora shirt says "Music for the white intellectual elite".
It's interesting that we've spent the better part of five pages debating this point, when there seems to be no direct evidence to support Drudkh being an NSBM band. The only evidence I can find on the subject, would actually suggest that Drudkh may be a Christian band. Taken from a description, on the Super Natural web site, for "Swan Road":
"...lyrics taken from the poetry of Ukraine's great poet, ardent patriot, and thinker, Taras Shevchenko."
Wikipedia states that Taras Shevchenko was a member of a secret society called the "Brotherhood of Saints Cyril and Methodius". According to Wikipedia, "...the society was named after Saints Cyril and Methodius, who were widely regarded as heroes for the Slavic nations celebrated for spreading Christianity..."
So, there you have it. Drudkh can't play HCIII because they're Christians.
In all seriousness, it doesn't seem that these guys are guilty of anything other than celebrating their heritage. And I seriously doubt, the inclusion of Drudkh is going to draw a skinhead crowd anymore than any Black Metal show would.
Zod
When it comes to the promoters, I think it's more to do with who the people are, not what they sing about in that particular instance. And there is very little question that the Drudkh band members play (or have formed) other NS bands, allow for tape releases to be put out on an NS label, and have the t-shirt with the racist slogan.
I'm sure the internet allows for nazi and NS metal bands to bridge the gap. I've been reading articles about it just this morning.
Here's an excerpt on Destroyer 666.
Again, it doesn't matter what D666 sing about, it's who the band members are, what they represent, and their simple guilt by association to the nazi movement.
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swizzlenuts
i'm sciencing as fast as i can
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
But how far do you take it? If one member of a band performed in an NS band ten years ago, when he was 19, should his current band never be allowed to play a fest?
Iit's silly that Drudkh, a band who uses no NS lyrics or imagery, should be banned from playing HC because the promoters are worried that the 3 skinheads who live in Minnesota, who speak Ukranian and who are aware that members of Drudkh also perform in Hate Forest, might show up.
Zod
Do Drudkh even play live? I'm sure this is all a moot point.
I have no clue! Maybe the promoters can answer your questions? Drudkh and Hate Forest co-existed. I don't think this is some "skeleton in the closet" from an adolescent, young and impressionable age, like some American Idol contestant who bared her tittays on the intraweb once upon a time.
Again, I'm sure their shirt slogans, band, and label associations help matters not.
I don't have the answers. Obviously there is SOME selection process that goes along with choosing bands for a fest. How do Wacken make their selection process, or any other fest for that matter?
Also, perhaps it's less about who might show up. Maybe promoters don't want to associate themselves with the NS scene or racism on principle?
If Nokturnal Mortum were to take the stage, and only played songs from their 'pre-NS' days when they were signed to The End, would that negate their status as a currently active NSBM band on Oriana Productions? I would imagine not.
I have no clue! Maybe the promoters can answer your questions? Drudkh and Hate Forest co-existed. I don't think this is some "skeleton in the closet" from an adolescent, young and impressionable age, like some American Idol contestant who bared her tittays on the intraweb once upon a time.
Again, I'm sure their shirt slogans, band, and label associations help matters not.
I don't have the answers. Obviously there is SOME selection process that goes along with choosing bands for a fest. How do Wacken make their selection process, or any other fest for that matter?
Also, perhaps it's less about who might show up. Maybe promoters don't want to associate themselves with the NS scene or racism on principle?
If Nokturnal Mortum were to take the stage, and only played songs from their 'pre-NS' days when they were signed to The End, would that negate their status as a currently active NSBM band on Oriana Productions? I would imagine not.
circus_brimstone
Forest: Sold Out
J.
Old Fart
"Music for the white intellectual elite"
How is this racist? First of all, metal is mostly music for white people by white people. It's just a fact. We'll ignore all the slopes in asia because they dont count. Just like rap is by blacks for blacks, or wannabe blacks.
Second. How can it be racist when it also discounts the "white moronic dumbasses"? Not every white person is intellectual. We do have people like Nate the Great, you know.
How is this racist? First of all, metal is mostly music for white people by white people. It's just a fact. We'll ignore all the slopes in asia because they dont count. Just like rap is by blacks for blacks, or wannabe blacks.
Second. How can it be racist when it also discounts the "white moronic dumbasses"? Not every white person is intellectual. We do have people like Nate the Great, you know.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
No clue.
I wasn't suggesting that Drudkh's connection to NSBM is non-existent. I was merely asking, how much distance must there be before it's a non-issue?
If the HC guys (for instance), booked Drudkh to perform, does that associate their festival with NS?
Zod
Well the litmus test is whether you would wear it in public, somewhere in downtown Houston.
Dunno. The fact that people recognize the connection might be enough. Not knowing *anything* about festival promotion, I'm intrigued by the band selection process. I don't know what goes into it. The thread we had the other day about building a roster around a band's popularity was enlightening to say the least.
Yeah, I agree. Who knows what happens behind closed doors. And just how much of a background check can be done? How do we know any band for that matter?
I've asked this question several times in the past. How do we even know whether the ideaology is real, or if it's just some gimmick to tap into a certain audience? How do we know Glenn Benton doesn't secretly attend midnight mass with his kids on xmas eve?
To Demilich's point earlier on, where do you draw the line? If the 'art' is great, but just so happens to be made by a child rapist, do you dismiss the crime just to continue to support the artist for more music?
*mind boggles*
skeptik
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Well obviously you're not going to break a child molester out of jail and give him a guitar, but if he was released from prison and continued to make astounding music, would you not buy it? I would. Horrible people (or I should say "people who have done horrible things") are just as capable of creating amazing art as anyone else.
Dunno. Possibly. I mean, I certainly listen to satanic or NS music without subscribing to either belief, but most of the time, it's not overt or you can't understand what they're 'singing' about.
Of course, for the analogy to exist, however, the child molestor would have to be making music about child molestation.
Of course, for the analogy to exist, however, the child molestor would have to be making music about child molestation.
Necromunchkin
Lord of the Whisky
Some of the extreme porn grind makes me wonder just how truly into the subject matter the musicians are.
Demilich
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skyrefuge
Member
Just read this whole thread from start to finish, and as I was reading, I was formulating my own post in my head. Turns out I don't actually have to post it, because Zod read my mind and posted the exact thing right here.
So now I'll just write some more stuff.
Promoters are human beings. There is no Bible of Heavy Metal Concert Promotion that all festival organizers use which tells them to ban all bands that have the slightest whiff of NS to them. Some might do that, and others might not care at all. If the promoter has good sense, they'll just look at it practically: "how much trouble is this band likely to bring to my show, and is that trouble worth it?" They should ask this question about every band, and not just about NS tendencies. "Will Mayhem draw PETA protesters?" "Will Slayer draw people who are too violent who might get injured and sue?" "Will the Genitorturers get us shut down for indecency?"
I can't imagine Drudkh drawing *any* trouble-causing skinheads to HC. Like, do you really think the skinheads are that dedicated in searching out any bands who might have the slightest NS connections? I assume there are much more popular options out there (like bands who actually SING about white supremacy), that the skinheads wouldn't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and support a "maybe" band like Drudkh, just in case.
In short: Necuratul/Zod win, JK loses!
Neil
