Suicide

[Stoner Sioux]

Suicide seems like a a quick fix to a horrible problem, but in reality it will never fix anything....I've known quite a few people that committed suicide and its just shocking... and its even worse for their families... sometimes I have suicidal thoughts....but I don't think I could ever go threw with it for real.

 

[dreamwatch]

Originally posted by Fuþorc


We all get depressed.

You're absolutely right - we do all get depressed. It's a normal part of life. But there is a huge difference between being depressed and suffering from depression.

 

[Fuþorc]

True.

 

[Nate The Great]

Clinical depression is VERY serious. Sometimes people closest to a clinically depressed person don't even know they have a problem. ALWAYS try to help somebody before they get to the point of "no return".

 

[Stoner Sioux]

and sometimes.....before a person committs suicide they will be so happy that you don't know anything is wrong with them, which is quite scary.

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

This is a topic that hits very close to home for me.

About 7 years ago, my mother was diagnosed with manic depression, which now is clinically known as having a bipolar syndrome of the brain. Basically, it's becoming more and more widely recognized within the medical profession as an actual disease (like alcoholism or Tourettes) that can be treated with the proper medication (i.e. cocktail).

But for many years, it was so extremely trying on our entire family, primarily because it's a disease that most people simply cannot comprehend, so they shy away from it. I agree with many here in that we ALL suffer from depression from time to time. Hell, I've been in a funk myself for quite some time now, especially since 9/11. Though it's getting better, I remind myself everyday that there are so many reasons to live and suicide for me will ALWAYS be simply a coward's way out.

And thankfully, my mother is doing just fine.

 

[xenophobe]

Originally posted by Stoner Sioux
and sometimes.....before a person committs suicide they will be so happy that you don't know anything is wrong with them, which is quite scary.

Yeah, this is so true...

 

[Opus(sy)2]

ok please nobody get pissed off and start having a go at me for saying this......pleeeeeeeaaaaaseeeeeee.............but i kinda think that commiting suicide is an easy way out.........i am quite depressed.......well i am all the time but not seriously depressed so i have no experience on this kinda thing.................but i think that people who suffer from depression sometimes cant help themselves if you know what i mean. but i think committing suicide is an easy way out and think about all the pain and sadness that the person will leave behind.....hmmmmm not a nice subject

 

[Stoner Sioux]

Originally posted by markgugs
I remind myself everyday that there are so many reasons to live and suicide for me will ALWAYS be simply a coward's way out.

That's how I look at it.

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Originally posted by leper iffinity
ok please nobody get pissed off and start having a go at me for saying this......pleeeeeeeaaaaaseeeeeee.............but i kinda think that commiting suicide is an easy way out.........i am quite depressed.......well i am all the time but not seriously depressed so i have no experience on this kinda thing.................but i think that people who suffer from depression sometimes cant help themselves if you know what i mean. but i think committing suicide is an easy way out and think about all the pain and sadness that the person will leave behind.....hmmmmm not a nice subject

No one's going to get pissed at you, relax. Committing suicide is not an easy way out, it's the coward's way out. Period. Normally, I wouldn't state what amounts to an opinion so emphatically, but how can this be looked at any other way? Suicide is merely a means of not dealing with reality any longer. THAT is cowardice through and through.

And if you read what I wrote about my mother above (maybe 7 posts back), very often nowadays depression is something that a person cannot help. It's called clinically diagnosed depression, and it has to do with an imbalance in your brain. It CAN be treated, so there's no reason to continue feeling that way. I will say this, talking to someone is NOT "faggy" or "gay," nor does it say you're a "weak" person in any way, shape or form. What it does imply about you is that you WANT TO GET BETTER. It always helps. Believe me.

 

[Stoner Sioux]

Leper Infinity if you feel that bad you should seek professional help....seriously.

 

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by markgugs

Suicide is merely a means of not dealing with reality any longer. THAT is cowardice through and through.

Sorry if I disagree here, but that is weaknes, nothing more.

 

[Nate The Great]

Nortern Viking: I don't see where you disagree. Cowardise = Weakness. No disagreement there . . .

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Yea, seemed to me we agreed there, no?

 

[Taliesin]

I grabbed my dictionary here at once
It does not translate "cowardice" with "weaknes".
And I think there's quite some difference between "being a coward" and "being weak". If you still disagree I can't help it...

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

No, I don't disagree. I just think in this case, the act of cowardice IS the weakness. Like yin and yang, one requires the other to exist, in this case.

 

[Nate The Great]

Yes . . . cowardice is weakness. Seems pretty obvious to me.

 

[SculptedCold]

No, you cannot equate them so simply. Cowardice is a weakness yes, but weakness is not cowardice. Weakness is far too broad; a huge possibility of different things. Cowardice is also a fluctuating thing; it affects different people in different ways, with different stimulus depending on the weakness initially. Seeing as depression can come from a variety of downfalls in both consequence and character you can immediately see that, obviously, one cannot always equal the other. Cowardice is a weakness, but cowardice itself can be borne on many different things in a person, including things which are by no means deserving of criticism; a mere hole in character, a badly-built strength. Cowardice is requiring of consciousness to enact, whereas clincal depression can never be anticipated or stopped on the onset. Yes, it can be fought, but people with clinical depression don't know that, and it is a result of chemical and subconscious variables that no-one can calculate and certainly, no-one can control. Saying weakness is cowardice and vice versa is wrong, and saying suicide as a means of escaping depression is cowardice is also largely based on inconclusive assumptions of conscious character, whatever your moral standing.

 

[EyeAm]

Originally posted by markgugs
This is a topic that hits very close to home for me.

About 7 years ago, my mother was diagnosed with manic depression, which now is clinically known as having a bipolar syndrome of the brain. Basically, it's becoming more and more widely recognized within the medical profession as an actual disease (like alcoholism or Tourettes) that can be treated with the proper medication (i.e. cocktail).

But for many years, it was so extremely trying on our entire family, primarily because it's a disease that most people simply cannot comprehend, so they shy away from it. I agree with many here in that we ALL suffer from depression from time to time. Hell, I've been in a funk myself for quite some time now, especially since 9/11. Though it's getting better, I remind myself everyday that there are so many reasons to live and suicide for me will ALWAYS be simply a coward's way out.

And thankfully, my mother is doing just fine.

Yeah, my mom's been depressed for almost her whole life. About ten years ago (when I was 4), she had a major breakdown. From then on, her life was hell (and in some ways, so was ours). All the drugs she took still didn't help and she was finally diagnosed with being bipolar. I could name the numerous times she went literally out of her mind (she was packing my dad's clothes in a suitcase for me to go live at the park... she also had a big ass knife in her hand). But, luckily, with modern science she's doing pretty well and is getting her way off of her meds. Just wondering... but are you bipolar, too? I was diagnosed a few weeks ago and I'm hoping it will go away soon....

 

[dreamwatch]

I'll give you a real insiders perspective on it - I was clinically depressed for over 3 years. I was very lucky in that I recognised the symptoms quite early on (I had just read a magazine article and it hit home) so I began to receive treatment just before I got to my lowest ebb. That's probably why I'm still alive today. It can be treated, but it's easy to hide the way your feeling from people, and if you don't know the symptoms of depression then why would you go to get treatment? In your mind your a weak, useless human who doesn't deserve happiness, and probably doesn't even deserve to live - why go to a doctor? That's what it's like at the beginning... when it gets really bad, when you are so weak and ill that you cannot get out of bed, you start to wish for death. But by this stage you don't even have the energy to actually kill yourself. If your lucky, and if you sought treatment in time, then this is the part when you start to get some energy back, when you find that you can get out of bed again and maybe even leave the house. But as you get more energy then the thoughts of suicide are more prevelant - you can actually physically carry this out now. Nothing will ever get better, this is how life will always be. Who wants to live their lives in so much hopeless pain? Wouldn't it be much better for everyone if you weren't here anymore? Yes, it probably would.

Weak and cowardly? Yes I thought I was those things anyway. I thought I was shit, the scum of the earth, an absolute waste of an existance. I hated myself, truly despised myself. So as you can see, suicide is quite an appealing option when you feel that way.