Symphony X: Trouble in Paradise

[schenkadere]

i basically crank my music in my car and have for years so i think my ears are damaged enough they can't hear enough to fatigue them anyway.

My mind and body is fatigued...my ears just follow along. If the song is good...I listen.

 

[Detective Clarence Beauregard]

I miss Thomas Miller

Although I prefer Lepond, I still think that Miller was a great bass player and writer.

 

[Force10]

i went to that link, but decided that I'd rather watch a Loudness video...thanks!

I also watched a Loudness video while there...

 

[Yngvai X]

I also watched a Loudness video while there...

as did I

WOK N WOLL SHRIMP FRIED RIIIICE!

 

[henkdee]

interesting topic, got nothing technical to add but to say that I love the whole cd as it is and I don't skip anything.
I have the opposite problem with Dream theater, where I skip the soft songs/parts

SX is METAL!

grtz, henk.

 

[anacrucix]

I don't buy it, the reason the new CD is louder is real simple, when they are putting out a CD after mixing, they always do it as loud as possible without clipping, hence the better you EQ it, the louder you can get it overall.

The records before PL were not very full sounding, and the best way to show this visually is not a waveform graph, but in fact a frequency spectrum...

Sea of Lies

Inferno

Domination

You will notice that the red and yellow areas extend much higher in the spectrum for domination. This means that despite the fact that all of the tracks have the same peak volume, domination sounds a lot fuller + richer. Grats to Jens for some awesome EQing.

I don't really buy into this audio fatigue thing, I can listen to necrophagist on repeat endlessly. I put it to you, that you in fact do not like this CD, but want to have some other excuse to not like it that not liking the songs themselves, because you like symphony x's other stuff so much.

personally i think this album rocks, hard.

 

[anacrucix]

Here is an interesting explanation of the loudness issue for us non music engineer types:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ

what that video doesnt explain, is that if you are in a car, or any situation with background noise, the only thing your going to be able to hear with the uncompressed audio is the drums, so what do you do? turn it up.... the problem being that those drumhits as you can see on the waveform in the video are about 5x louder than the rest of the waveform, so turning up the volume of the whole thing will make the rest of it clearer but will be a shortcut to titinis.

 

[Wander]

what that video doesnt explain, is that if you are in a car, or any situation with background noise, the only thing your going to be able to hear with the uncompressed audio is the drums, so what do you do? turn it up.... the problem being that those drumhits as you can see on the waveform in the video are about 5x louder than the rest of the waveform, so turning up the volume of the whole thing will make the rest of it clearer but will be a shortcut to titinis.

Which means that compression may be needed, but it needs to be within a limit. It's bad if they overdo it, I think.

 

[Detective Clarence Beauregard]

Domination

If the bass on all albums ever recorded by any metal band would sound as good as Lepond's bass in the intro, I'd be in heaven.

 

[Kenneth R.]

I don't buy it, the reason the new CD is louder is real simple, when they are putting out a CD after mixing, they always do it as loud as possible without clipping, hence the better you EQ it, the louder you can get it overall.

The records before PL were not very full sounding, and the best way to show this visually is not a waveform graph, but in fact a frequency spectrum...

Sea of Lies

Inferno

Domination

You will notice that the red and yellow areas extend much higher in the spectrum for domination. This means that despite the fact that all of the tracks have the same peak volume, domination sounds a lot fuller + richer. Grats to Jens for some awesome EQing.

I don't really buy into this audio fatigue thing, I can listen to necrophagist on repeat endlessly. I put it to you, that you in fact do not like this CD, but want to have some other excuse to not like it that not liking the songs themselves, because you like symphony x's other stuff so much.

personally i think this album rocks, hard.

That's the smartest shit you've ever said. Thumbs up. Not making fun.

 

[Detective Clarence Beauregard]

It looks like Predator vision. It also looks like the Predator has found a lot of life forms.

 

[Lucius Octavion]

Can't snakes see like that too.

Also that's a good point you bring up.

 

[TitoC]

I've seen the name Peter Van't Riet a lot as a mastering engineer from the Netherlands I think. I have seen his name on more than a few InsideOut releases including the new Deadsoul Tribe CD. I find his work pretty damn good too. He remastered all of the non original line-up Asia CD's and did an excellent job.

Anyone have a take on him?

 

[Detective Clarence Beauregard]

Can't snakes see like that too.

Also that's a good point you bring up.

Thank you, and yes, certain snakes (pit vipers) have a thermal sense in the "pit" on their head. It's quite a sight to see a recreation of a rattlesnake hunting a mouse.

 

[_Gentleman of_the Snow_]

Since we're talking about bass tone, the song Desert Girl by Planet X (from their new album) has a few parts where the bass just rips. It sounds so awesome when played at high volumes

 

[Detective Clarence Beauregard]

Since we're talking about bass tone, the song Desert Girl by Planet X (from their new album) has a few parts where the bass just rips. It sounds so awesome when played at high volumes

Downloading now

 

[Jeremy Krull]

talk about a fatiguingly oversaturated/overcompressed mix. That album borders on unlistenable. It's a shame too, because Simon Phillips really brought the best out of Planet X when he was working with them.

 

[MnoruS]

This guy is so fucking anal. 'Paradise lost' is quite a dynamic album. And if 'Paradise lost' is more tiring to listen to for you, it's because your expectations are different.

 

[DoomsdayZach]

This guy is so fucking anal. 'Paradise lost' is quite a dynamic album. And if 'Paradise lost' is more tiring to listen to for you, it's because your expectations are different.

Or listening to the album like 308 times in the first week...

 

[Jeremy Krull]

I kinda agree with him though I mean, love it or leave it, that's the best production they've had going on by far. The only thing that could've made it better than that would've been if they flew to Fascination Street (where Jens Bogren is based) and tracked the whole record with him.