That "Clayman" sound....
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Executioner213
Ultimate Meatbag
DEADHEART
The Bringer Has Come
When I was looking for someone to mix my bands album last year it was about $6500 for him to do it. Compared to some other quotes we got he was right in the middle of everyone. Very fair on his prices.Mark_Palangio said:
Well, I did a very quick test with that mic technique... and it's totally awesome.
Tomorrow I'm going to put it thru a battery of tests & configurations, i.e. matching mics, different in each position, amp settings, which speaker on my 4 by 12, etc.
Quick observations: The mic directly on the center cap is brittle as hell, and the off axis is very smooth. I find if the gain is matched, bring up the off axis mic & have the on axis mic about 8-12 db's lower. Things will lard up REAL quick when you combine the two, so be careful with those low mids. A multiband is a must here.
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Tomorrow I'm going to put it thru a battery of tests & configurations, i.e. matching mics, different in each position, amp settings, which speaker on my 4 by 12, etc.
Quick observations: The mic directly on the center cap is brittle as hell, and the off axis is very smooth. I find if the gain is matched, bring up the off axis mic & have the on axis mic about 8-12 db's lower. Things will lard up REAL quick when you combine the two, so be careful with those low mids. A multiband is a must here.
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Genius Gone Insane
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Genius Gone Insane said:
Nope, not yet. What I've got right now isn't even close to what I was aksing about... but it is a nudge in the right direction.
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TheStoryteller
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OzNimbus said:
OzNimbus; your observations are correct. The centered mic should definitely be lower, and you also have to watch out for phase errors. The absolutely easiest way would be to do a test recording with both mics to separate tracks and take a look at the waveforms. They should match, or at least be very close. Otherwise; move one of the mics slightly and repeat the test.
Mark_Palangio said:
No, I exaggerated a bit for that illustration. The mics should be like ½ inch from the grill, or maybe a bit closer.
Mark_Palangio said:
Thanks man.
Clips on the site are from our new album Underworld, which was not recorded in Fredman. The exact same technique was used though, with a 5150 mk II, an ENGL cab and two SM57's.
Fredrik-Ablaze
Member
Try doing the same with a 609 at the center instead, that's the way I go about recording guitars and it's the same raw tone but with some more lows in it
Mark_Palangio
On The Fields Of Life
TheStoryteller
Member
Mark_Palangio said:
Disconnekt said:Sorry to add to the question bombardment, Storyteller, but that Engl cab... V30s or V60s?
I'm sorry, but I don't know.
I can ask.I called him again today, but he asked me to get back to him tomorrow, by lunch time.
TheStoryteller said:
Belive me, phase was the first thing on my mind. In fact, I even wrote a small article on the subject
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4304212&postcount=77Actually, I was quite surprised by how tight the phase is vs. other dual mic techniques I've tried. I think I've stumbled across my new favourite heavy guitar miking technique:hotjump: Thanks for all your help, Storyteller.
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Fredrik-Ablaze
Member
As far as I know, V30's
TheStoryteller said:I'm sorry, but I don't know.
I called him again today, but he asked me to get back to him tomorrow, by lunch time.
Mark_Palangio
On The Fields Of Life
Shit, I just tried that mic technique too. 5150 combo loaded with V30s, and since I don't have 2 57s, I'm using a Røde NT1-A on-axis and a 57 off-axis. I made sure they were in phase, and... DAMN. What a sound. Thank you, Mr. Nordström, for this piece of sheer brilliance. What shrillness and fizziness the Vintage 30 and SM57 may have are completely smoothed out with this technique, and it adds a really aggressive snarl and unique character as well.
I can post a clip if anyone's interested.
I can post a clip if anyone's interested.
Mark_Palangio
On The Fields Of Life
black sugar
The Burninator
Fucking awesome thread. Thanks for the info, everyone. Gonna try this fo' sho...
And yes... clips, please!
And yes... clips, please!
Sorry about the guitar timing... it's a bit sloppy.
Rhythm tracks are Lead channel and Nordström method with the mics I said before, and lead/ambient tracks are Rhythm channel (go figure) with the SM57 straight on, just one mic.
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jelmiger/mp3/5150 Nordstrom Mics.mp3
As for pictures, don't be fooled by the NT1-A's funny angle, the diaphragm is pointed pretty much straight at the dustcap, on-axis.
From the front:
Longer view above and to the left:
From directly above:
Enjoy, and let me know what you think!
Rhythm tracks are Lead channel and Nordström method with the mics I said before, and lead/ambient tracks are Rhythm channel (go figure) with the SM57 straight on, just one mic.
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jelmiger/mp3/5150 Nordstrom Mics.mp3
As for pictures, don't be fooled by the NT1-A's funny angle, the diaphragm is pointed pretty much straight at the dustcap, on-axis.
From the front:
Longer view above and to the left:
From directly above:
Enjoy, and let me know what you think!
Mark_Palangio
On The Fields Of Life
Damn man, that sounds great. Definitely has that old school Fredman/5150 vibe. Nice work, I can't wait to try that.
I'll be able to record pretty soon, I want to see what effect this has with my Revolution. It has a touch of fizziness that I dislike. I have an SM57 and a Beta57...which one should be centered and which one offset (in you guy's opinions)?
