the altered state of consciousness thread

I've done shrooms 3 times, but this was years ago. Atleast 8,9 years ago. I had fun and would do them again. I tried acid a few times and never liked it at all. I would not do that shit ever again aslong as I live.
 
My rules that I kindof just made up right now:
- Never, ever put shit up my nose.
- Never, ever use needles.
- If it aint weed or psychedelics I dont give a fuck.
- Never again will I hit a pookie. Even if its to hit some D, that shit is fucking crackhead status and brings me back to being a dirty meth head.
- Stay clear away from speed, cocaine and heroin. Dont even like to be around people using or under the influence.
- I think Ive pretty much ruled out MDMA in my usage. Shit took too much out of me and that was doing only maybe 2 to 3 times a year. LSD and Shrooms make me feel better after I trip, not worse.
- Last but not least, fuck pills.

Pookie is crackpipe right? I'm totally interested in hearing about your methhead times btw, how you got yourself out of it and whatnot, how you've managed to not fuck your brain's reward systems and find presence and mindfulness and shit.
 
Life really is better without drugs. Just give yourself enough life experience and decent none depressive contemplation to attain a good state of mind most of the time.
 
Yeah, that was the most extreme thing I have ever gone through. It was awesome for the first 3 hours, but after that it turned into fucking hell. Holy shit.
 
So it sounded like during your peak you flipped because it takes about an hour or more to fully kick in. Without getting into too many details of your experience, and set and setting on a open forum, I advise next time to have something like a calming place, good music, make art, or something that you can surrender into and always to do it in a place where there is minimum paranoia because most people who are not prepared or have a great understanding of what they are getting into start to freak when their entire structure system starts to melt away with the walls around them.
 
Thanks, both of you. I think one of my biggest problems was that I was trying to do to much, and I ended up overwhelming myself. I think I'll try again next week, and now that I kind of know what to expect, I'll probably be able to handle it better. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
 
LSD isn't meant for small doses, IMO.

It depends on what your looking for, I think. From what I've noticed, on smaller doses you can still get some of the benefits of the drug without having to commit yourself to a full trip, and that might be appealing at times. Just like smoking a little bit of weed instead of getting blazed out of your fucking mind. I agree that larger doses are a better, but I think there's a place for smaller doses too. Obviously I haven't used the drug much, but this is what I've gathered in the few times I have used it.
 
^ Exactly.

You hit many points already Neph, which ill elaborate on a little more.

on smaller doses you can still get some of the benefits of the drug without having to commit yourself to a full trip

But once you experience the drugs full potential, anything short of it is almost boring for me. I might just be saying this because I have a lot of experience with it, so I know exactly what to expect, what to watch out for, and how to control and guide it in any way I want. But thats just it, the predictability of it is now boring to me.

With larger doses, you are forced into hyperspace and you dont know what the fuck is going to happen. But you have to be confident in any situation and be willing to continually surrender yourself each moment because if you dont, you end up fighting, resisting, and in turn bad tripping. But the beautiful side is you are rewarded with the most beautifully intense and spiritually uplifting realizations.

Even though you did not ask, and this might not pertain to the topic, ill say it anyway. If you decide to dabble more with the substance, keep with the small doses for now Neph is my .02. Like you said, they do have their place, and right now I think its a perfect place for you to swim in and learn more about it and how you react to it. Learn to crawl before you can walk. Its not a race to get there the fastest, but rather to make sure you get there in one piece and on the right path. And who knows this one might not be the one for you.

Psychedelics are not for everyone, and I know LSD is not for everyone either. A lot of people prefer mushrooms over LSD, and vice versa. Or youre like myself and like em both ;)

It depends on what your looking for, I think.

I have plenty of friends who trip just to trip, are not looking to experience any higher state of consciousness and just wanna fuck around. They dont care about being launched into hyperspace and experiencing ego death. Which is fine. But there will be a time when that shit presents itself unexpectedly, and they wont know how the fuck to handle it, and in turn have lost one of the greatest experiences their life has offered them.
 
I disagree and agree.

There has to be a continuity of right effort to bring you to higher states of consciousness in a sober way, in whatever way is fit for the individual. But there is no denying that LSD can bring about PERMANENT changes in ones view on them self, the world they live in, and/or the Absolute Truth. To deny that is absurd. The substance of many of my profound trips still linger with me, they are not lost like a good book.

LSD is merely a tool. It is not the way. But its a great tool for showing people the way. And its not the only tool you have to have in your toolbox.

The real work, the real pay off comes from your own sober effort. No denying that. But there is also no denying the lasting benefits psychedelics can bring.

Together, continual right sober effort with occasional psychedelic use is the right vehicle for me to ultimately take me to the place where the psychedelics are no longer a vehicle to ascend, in which case I will get out of the vehicle and walk.
 
But ultimately, using L to change yourself spiritually is not the most effective method in the long run. L puts you in a different state of consciousness that's gone when the drug wears off, so it will be incredibly profound while tripping but the substance of it will be gone afterwards.

It's not like acid zaps your memory entirely. There would be little reason to use acid if you weren't able to remember at least some of the stuff you learned/experienced.

LSD is merely a tool. It is not the way. But its a great tool for showing people the way. And its not the only tool you have to have in your toolbox.

The real work, the real pay off comes from your own sober effort. No denying that. But there is also no denying the lasting benefits psychedelics can bring.

:kickass: Nicely put....


BTW, I definitely plan on trying shrooms and DMT eventually, but is anything else (like 2Cs) worth trying?
 
Never dabbled with any shit like 2C-B or others of the like, ill let others talk on that if they want...Ive just stuck with LSD and Mushrooms. Those two substances resonate really well with me.