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But my question is: why do we need conspiracies, when the answers are so clear, especially in the shared psychology of this age?
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A good utility to keep other threads alive.
But my question is: why do we need conspiracies, when the answers are so clear, especially in the shared psychology of this age?
Norsemaiden
barbarian
Yes the answers should be clear, but they can be hard for some to see as there actually are interests that don't want people to see them.
Many if not most "conspiracies" are actually in-your-face obvious facts, but because they don't suit the orthodoxy of the present age they are called conspiracy.
For example if I were to point out that Wednesday in German, "Mittwoch" was originally "Wodenstag" but renamed to avoid reference to this pagan god, plenty would call that "conspiracy".
Just because certain facts are suppressed and labelled "conspiracy" doesn't mean that those who continue to suggest there is truth in these ideas are dangerous lunatics - you have to ask why they are portrayed that way.
People should learn to be suspicious and realise that they are being lied to and decieved in all sorts of ways. Paranoia is avoided by using logic and deciding which version of events is both more credible, and weighing up the consequences of it being accurate.
Now that this thread is no longer a "sticky" does that mean that the kind of subjects discussed herein can now be put up as regular threads? Or does it mean that such discussion will not see the light of day on this forum at all?
Norsemaiden
barbarian
I'm not sure what makes something sticky or not, but has anyone ever read or seen any of David Ickes stuff? Basically he was a news reader/sports presenter in the 80's, I vaguely remember him being dropped by the Tv stations for being a "loony" or someone who had lost the plot, but recently hes been given some exposure and its amazing how some of the the things he says now make sense. Ive not read the book dont get a lot of time but worth a look for anyone who thinks maybe conspiricies/ government cover ups do exist. DavidIcke.com
We have already discussed Icke a while back in this thread.
I don't see that as conspiracy. I see that as history.
You have to ask, why did this occur? Was it an organized force (conspiracy) or the exact opposite, a disorganization that allowed moronic opinions to become controlling?
I would have to say the latter. This is why I speak against conspiracies: we don't need them, when the truth is obvious to those who look, and all other truths (including conspiracies, potentially) are empowered by that.
See what I am getting at here? It makes sense over time when the whole of history is considered. It is biological, organic and demographic in nature, where other forms of history presuppose a conscious actor, which is rarely the source of decline.
Justin S.
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Norsemaiden said:
Monday-Friday are all named after Norse/Germanic gods, and remain so till this day (with the exception of Mittwoch in German, which, according to the wiki article, was changed in the 10th century). Clearly, there is no fear of referencing pagan gods generally.
Norsemaiden said:
All it means is that this thread does not merit a sticky so that it always appears at the top of the page. "Conspiracy" topics should remain within this thread.
I think what's more important is the progressive myth: we assume everything in the past was stupid, and that only our way is right, and when problems come up, we act like we couldn't have seen them -- while older societies did not have these problems quite possibly by design. Then we discover the Romans had flush toilets or the ancient Syrians had batteries, or that people in ancient times were taller, healthier and smarter than we thought, and we're all shocked because it contradicts our myth of ourselves as enlightened saviors of the world.
The modern time is great... if you're brick-stupid. And if you're not, be prepared for the revenge of others (reason #2007 why derbeder needs to go).
How on earth is what you say remotely relevant to Justin S's post? The fact that Monday-Friday are all named after Norse/Germanic gods surely does not provide a reason either for thinking that there is some sort of progress or for thinking that there isn't. It is strictly speaking irrelevant to what's being said in Justin's post.
It is quite amusing to read some of your comments. In the above post, you say that
(1) if one is not stupid, then one should be prepared for the revenge of others
and then you seem to take this to be some sort of reason for me to leave the board. So suppose (1) is correct, i.e. people who are not stupid should be prepared for the revenge of others. How is this supposed to be a reason for me to leave?
My best shot is this: You assume
(2) I, derbeder, am not prepared for the revenge of others.
(1) entails that if one is not prepared for the revenge of others, then one is stupid. Hence, from (1) and (2) we can conclude that I am stupid. A good reason for me to leave the board! Of course, this is a sound argument only on the assumption of (1) and (2). (1) is dubious enough, but there is no need to argue about that here as it is quite clear that I am prepared for whatever revenge some dimwits are seeking. Since (2) is false, this is not a sound argument for me to leave the board.
One would have thought you trying to insult me by calling me stupid, but nothing you wrote down means or implies that. You should have simply said "derbeder is stupid" for that purpose. It would actually have been an insult, albeit a pitiful one. The present state of your post is unfortunately more pitiful than that, I'm afraid.
I wonder how long you will continue to embarrass yourself on this board.
It is quite amusing to read some of your comments. In the above post, you say that
(1) if one is not stupid, then one should be prepared for the revenge of others
and then you seem to take this to be some sort of reason for me to leave the board. So suppose (1) is correct, i.e. people who are not stupid should be prepared for the revenge of others. How is this supposed to be a reason for me to leave?
My best shot is this: You assume
(2) I, derbeder, am not prepared for the revenge of others.
(1) entails that if one is not prepared for the revenge of others, then one is stupid. Hence, from (1) and (2) we can conclude that I am stupid. A good reason for me to leave the board! Of course, this is a sound argument only on the assumption of (1) and (2). (1) is dubious enough, but there is no need to argue about that here as it is quite clear that I am prepared for whatever revenge some dimwits are seeking. Since (2) is false, this is not a sound argument for me to leave the board.
One would have thought you trying to insult me by calling me stupid, but nothing you wrote down means or implies that. You should have simply said "derbeder is stupid" for that purpose. It would actually have been an insult, albeit a pitiful one. The present state of your post is unfortunately more pitiful than that, I'm afraid.
I wonder how long you will continue to embarrass yourself on this board.
Oh, come off it. Just admit you secretly get a hardon for eugenics when I provoke you so. If there was a button in front of you with KILL INFOTERROR on it, you'd pound that fucker like a drunk wife who just won't stop telling you to stop drinking. Be honest with yourself. You want to kill... now, Luke, you must join the Dark Side.
Noam Chomsky talks the most sense about 911 conspiracy theories. It's so unlikely that nothing would go wrong or leak out.
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Chomsky ain't so bad on most topics. He's one of my favorite leftists, along with George Carlin, but I still refuse to watch video.
But why need a conspiracy... when the truth is so obvious. Corrupt values make a corrupt society makes oligarchic corruption, and what's important about conspiracies then is that we're so corrupt we can't even agree on what reality is.
Shit, if I wanted that noise, I'd just go buy me a truckload of drugs and a television.
Chomsky is okay, but Im not a huge fan of his philosophy and his understanding of economics isnt the greatest. I really prefer Chalmers Johnson when it comes to the fall of America and what is happening in the foreign policy world (and neither are conspiracy theorists, but realists and truth-tellers). And lets not forget the last true American aristocrat: Gore Vidal. He has some excellent essays on our corruption.
Silver Incubus
Dead Hands Justin
This may be applicable to many threads in this forum but it certianly raises many questions about the prevailing belief in evolution.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8438721530266145746
The evolution conspiracy. The main point is that there is no real proof in cross species evolution. As in, no fossils (that aren't created to prove) or the fact that genes hold so much information that it is mathematically improbable that life just came to be.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8438721530266145746
The evolution conspiracy. The main point is that there is no real proof in cross species evolution. As in, no fossils (that aren't created to prove) or the fact that genes hold so much information that it is mathematically improbable that life just came to be.
r_young112
aspiring shredder
Me too, mainly as I feel the moon landing may never have happened and secondly i think there are some dastardly goings on with freemasons
I'll tell you a freemasons story...A local estate agent from near here was arrested one night for several counts of mortgage fraud.It was thrown out of court. He also hit an old peoples bus up the back and this too he got away with. Hes a freemason. Maybe it pays to be one?Me too, mainly as I feel the moon landing may never have happened and secondly i think there are some dastardly goings on with freemasons
I've been a moon-landing sceptic most of my life...long before I knew there were others who felt that way honestly. However, there is ample information out there to support the whole affair by now. National Geographic did an outstanding documentary on the "space-race" that chronicled the development of the US and Soviet space programs respectively, from the snatching of the brilliant German scientist Wernher Von Braun right on through! The risks they took, given the profound uncertainty of the whole operation are remarkable to say the least. I doubt we would have the stomach for such risk today!
I'll have to have a read up on what you said there. Yes I started to wonder about it too, long before it became almost fashionable to wonder about it. I remember it, I was alive then, I always wondered why they never bothered with it again, and also how false it looked, like a stage set up. I think today if anyone had such a huge "lie" like that set up someone would go to the papers or "talk" and probably get shot for it or mysteriously dissapear.
Me too, mainly as I feel the moon landing may never have happened and secondly i think there are some dastardly goings on with freemasons
As I recall, Hitler locked up freemasons.
Any secret society like that cheats against the rest of us to benefit its members. We pay the cost, and they feel "smart" for behaving like dickheads.
I don't know anything about Masons/Freemasons in particular, but I know they've irked many through the years.
Whats worrying is how many members of the police force are masons, I personally dont think this should be allowed. I think the basic idea of the masons is it is like a select group of people, many who own small businesses,also local councillors, in fact I dont think they are too fussy who joins today.They have meetings apparently do lots for charity and help each other out in times of trouble. They are not supposed to talk about the masons to non masons, which I guess fascinates people to what actually goes on there, along with rumours of rituals eg a special handshake, or mention of people going around with one rolled up trouser leg
which sounds intriguing in itself. Strange goings on eh?Similar threads
