The Economy

Anyone read the book 1984?

Just finished reading it for the millionth time.

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As far as debit- I don't own a home, my car is paid off at least for now, and I don't own credit cards. What does that mean? If I can't afford it, I don't buy it. Sure it sucks big time (like trying to get into the hotel at PP when my daily limit was maxed). It's an easy concept.

-Metal
 
I think we should all go listen to Spreading the Disease. 2nd half of that songs about sums it up, yep.

I recently used this analogy in an interesting discussion about the current state of our once great country:

Our government in its current state could be described as a blind pilot attempting to keep an AirBus aloft while being given directions from a deaf navigator using sign language.​

That scenario would all but guarantee a crash and burn, no? We citizens need to become like the heroes of Flight 93 and take back the friggin' plane.
 
BTW: Dow dropped another 7% today. So we've effectively lost 20% of the stock market in 10 days. Officially defined a "Stock Market Crash". I had $2800 in a 401k before all this, now I have $1500. I feel bad for anyone who wanted to retire this year.
 
Is this another joke?
Because i'm dreadfully confused.
Almost everything I read about Sarah Palin HAS to be a joke because I don't understand how any human being can take her seriously? And how many times do I have to post this?: http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

Sorry, when it comes to people like THAT, it just makes me want to vomit. :Puke: When a "feminazi" wants a female president, we don't want one who is a conservative PSYCHO who is anti pro-choice just because she wants more babies to eat. She's a murderer and a radical evangelical who wants to SENSOR BOOKS on ANY sign of evolution and tried to put teaching creationism in schools!!!!! I can't even BEGIN on how much this woman is a freakin' nut case! Please, please, please do not be deceived on what she looks like on television, do some research on her literal history (politically and even before that).

Anyone read the book 1984?

McBush is an old man that will surely not make it 8 years. If that man croaks, i'm fleeing this country if that woman becomes president. Even if Obama don't make it for that long as least Biden is a very intelligent man.

OK I'm not even a Palin fan but when you call people PSYCHO and talk about her being a murderer and eating babies, I hope you don't expect to be taken seriously or have a shred of credibility. :rolleyes:
 
I don't like Barrack Osama :lol: . I don't like John McPalin :lol:.

Is there a third candidate that will actually do something for this country?

Seriously - I can't stand either one of the main candidates. Both of them make me :Puke:

I'm considering voting Libertarian this time around :erk:
 
So I will *not* be missing PPX -- although I might need to set up a tips-for-paper-towels operation in the small bathroom in the Vinyl to earn some extra CD money. :lol:

I thought it was just the men's bathrooms where we had people waiting on us for tips. :lol:

And good for your brother...I will be definitely be selecting a different career path in the next year or so...

Good for you. Gonna brush up on your piano skills! :goggly:
 
I don't like Barrack Osama :lol: . I don't like John McPalin :lol:.

Is there a third candidate that will actually do something for this country?

Seriously - I can't stand either one of the main candidates. Both of them make me :Puke:

I'm considering voting Libertarian this time around :erk:
+1 (Although I'll admit at the present I'm leaning a little more towards Obama than McCain.)

I'm so tired of the two party system it's not even funny. Can't we get another strong independent candidate with a more moderate and sensible stance on the issues ... perhaps someone who is a little more focused on the problems of the majority of the American people and is willing to share some potential solutions rather than getting caught up in a mud slinging war with their opponent. :Smug:

Not to mention, I'm also really tired of the electoral college. Half the people in this country probably don't even realize that the president is not chosen by popular vote. I remember learning about the electoral college in 8th grade and thinking, "That's some fucked up shit right there." I still think that system is fucked up, but try getting the two parties it keeps in power (Democrats and Republicans) to pass, let alone introduce a bill that says that.

Those two things always make me feel like my vote is a waste. Our political system turns into more and more of a joke each day it seems. The powers that be in Washington have long forgotten their vows to help this country and it's people, as well as that little clause in the constitution that allows us to overthrow and reform our government if they are no longer acting in our best interest.


Oh, and while we are on the subject of the economy and politics ...
Bills I Believe Should Be Introduced:
* It should be made illegal for US corporations over a certain size to outsource work overseas (or at least put a cap on it ... say no more than 30 or 40% can be outsources outside of the US). - This would keep jobs in the US and bring us one step closer to helping us stabilize our economy. We need to stop sending work out of this country. I don't care if you can pay 6 telemarketers in India to work for what it would cost to employ one person here in the US. The people and the economy of this country need those job here, not for you to abandon them so that you can give yourself and your board of directors buddies extra bonuses this quarter.
 
I'm considering voting Libertarian this time around :erk:

Waste of time. Neither alternative party has a viable candidate.

The "Libertarian" candidate isn't a Libertarian. Bob Barr is an old school Republican conservative. The LP stuck him on the ticket for some name recognition. If you're inclined to vote for a conservative vote for McCain.

The Green Party's nominee is Cynthia McKinney. Total fruitcake. If you're inclinded to vote left, you might as well help Obama.
 
BTW: Dow dropped another 7% today. So we've effectively lost 20% of the stock market in 10 days. Officially defined a "Stock Market Crash". I had $2800 in a 401k before all this, now I have $1500. I feel bad for anyone who wanted to retire this year.

It'll keep falling until someone (well, a few someones) decide "Holy shit! It's time to go bargain-hunting!"

As Clark Howard (syndicated radio host on money issues, apolitical but as frugal as they come) said, "This is the single best opportunity of a lifetime for younger people with some money stored away to get into the market." As soon as it starts rising, BUY LIKE MAD! :)

As for my retirement funds, I'll take a partial hit, but I have a sizeable percentage of it in the loss-proof G Fund, so I'll be okay. I also get savings bonds through payroll deduction, and those can't lose value either. :kickass:

I don't like Barrack Osama :lol: . I don't like John McPalin :lol:.

Is there a third candidate that will actually do something for this country?

Not really.

As otherwise observed, Bob Barr is only about half Libertarian; he still holds to many GOP credos. Interestingly, the guy who got Barr to switch allegiances and 'sign on' as a Libertarian now refuses to support him, for a few reasons, one of which appears to be mostly semantic.

On a personal and purely selfish level, I'm hoping Barr doesn't win because he's the trial lawyer for a friend of mine, IF his case ever goes to trial, and being POTUS might affect his trial schedule. :)

As for the Green Party candidate, Cynthia McKinney.....well, the only good news there is, at least her fumbling attempt to remain in the public eye got her the hell out of Georgia. :lol:



Oh, and while we are on the subject of the economy and politics ...
Bills I Believe Should Be Introduced:
* It should be made illegal for US corporations over a certain size to outsource work overseas (or at least put a cap on it ... say no more than 30 or 40% can be outsources outside of the US). - This would keep jobs in the US and bring us one step closer to helping us stabilize our economy. We need to stop sending work out of this country. I don't care if you can pay 6 telemarketers in India to work for what it would cost to employ one person here in the US. The people and the economy of this country need those job here, not for you to abandon them so that you can give yourself and your board of directors buddies extra bonuses this quarter.

Hey, how bout a better idea that doesn't involve government control (which I abhor):

Let's do what Ireland did!

Ireland recently made history by slashing their corporate tax rates. Their national economy, which had been sputtering along like most of Europe's, took off like a rocket and is now the envy of Europe, with corporations bringing their assets, money and jobs to Ireland.

It's simple: the harder a government makes it for business to DO business, the more you can wave their money and those jobs goodbye. The US has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world...is it any wonder that companies are less inclined to do business here?


This is one of the problems I have with Obama: when you plan to penalize companies or small businesses for achieving by raising their tax rates, as he does, not only do you make it harder for them to employ people or keep the economy running, you also say to achievers "Congratulations! You've done well! But as a matter of fairness, we will now take more of your capital and give it to others who are failures."
Remember that 80% of new jobs in this country originate with small businesses.....yet these entrepreneurs are the very people that Obama's tax hikes will hurt the most.
Why the hell should ANYONE strive to achieve in this country when the government will simply take more of your success away from you? It's self-defeating. You cannot tax yourself into prosperity; it didn't work for Ancient Rome, and it hasn't worked since.

When asked why he favors increasing taxes on the "rich", Joe Biden actually said "It's only fair." :rolleyes:

To his credit, he does know that when taxes are reduced, as they were in 2001, the revenue into the government actually increases, due to more economy activity fostered by the cuts. When you increase taxes, the incoming revenue declines. So for Biden, it's not a question of improving the country or growing the economy, it's a matter of buying votes.
Gosh, thanks, Joe. Two cheers for ya.

And this is supposed to be the 'change' that Obama keeps promising? It's just business as usual in Washington. :zombie:
 
On a personal and purely selfish level, I'm hoping Barr doesn't win because he's the trial lawyer for a friend of mine, IF his case ever goes to trial, and being POTUS might affect his trial schedule. :)

I think this would be HIGHLY unlikely. :) Although, despite the fact that Barr is a Republican, NOT a Libertarian in any sense of the word, I will be voting Libertarian. It's a shame Ron Paul tried to run Republican instead of running Libertarian; if he had, he'd still be running now, and he might actually get enough support for the Libs so that they could earn matching campaign contributions in four years.
 
Waste of time. Neither alternative party has a viable candidate.

Sadly, I know this :erk:

I wish there was a political party "down the middle".

Seriously - I wish there was a "moderate" party - taking some things from the left and taking some things from the right. Because that's where my political beliefs are right now.....

I agree with Boob's statement that if Ron Paul had run as Libertarian that they'd actually have a viable candidate.
 
Sadly, I know this :erk:

I wish there was a political party "down the middle".

Seriously - I wish there was a "moderate" party - taking some things from the left and taking some things from the right. Because that's where my political beliefs are right now.....

I agree with Boob's statement that if Ron Paul had run as Libertarian that they'd actually have a viable candidate.

Generally speaking the candidates are far more moderate come election time but so many people are pissed off at the "republicans" that they don't give a shit about being a moderate. And right now McCain isn't much less of a liberal than Obama by supporting the bailout and now saying he wants to give checks to people to pay off their mortgages. This goes against everything that a true republican is and it's pissing off conservatives just as much.

McCain is really rubbing me the wrong way because he's now exactly the opposite of what I believe which is social liberalism and fiscal conservatism. Problem is that even my social liberalism doesn't go well with the democrats because I fully believe everyone should have the same rights (gay marriage/civil union/whatever) but I don't think people should just be given handouts, especially this bailout package bullshit. I don't trust the Congress to understand what is going on and I certainly don't trust the companies at the heart of all of this to use the money wisely which can already be seen with that little resort trip taken by AIG "top moneymakers."

So, considering I hate both candidates right now I'm thinking I will vote third party just to add to those numbers.