The Friday Five

Firstly, I would have said that proof and evidence are the same thing (maybe I'm misunderstanding you?). A christian belives that Jesus is the son of an all-powerful deity, despite the fact that there is no evidence (or proof) that the said deity exists, or that Jesus was indeed his son. Similarly most Christians believe that Jesus will return to Earth at some future date, despite the fact that dead people don't come back - they're relying on the unproven nature of Jesus being the son of God. I'm not having a go here, I respect the optimism, it just doesn't seem to involve anything more than conjecture. There is a good case for certain people existing at certain times and in certain places, the same as there is for other periods of history, but not much of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity seem to stand up to critical analysis - in fact the gospels themselves vary widely in their accounts of events. This is one of the reasons why I think literalism is bad. Go for the whole message thing - that's good, but trying to make a case for literal truth doesn't really work, and interpretation is definitely important, like you say. Unfortunately, there are many different interpretations which can be used for both good and bad ends.

1. The difference between proof and evidence should be clear to anyone who graduated 6th grade science. Evidence leads to proof. Proof is certain knowledge. Sometimes you can't have certain knowledge (in fact most cases) but you can obtain evidence through investigation. Evidence grants rationality to beliefs and hypotheses, which are the 'conclusions'. They should be tested and retested- but often we can't ever have a final answer. Of course, blind belief without any evidence (say I told you that aliens invaded your brain last night) is irrational. Unless I give you sufficient reason to support my claim, you should not believe it. "Sufficient evidence" then, is such that it allows you to decide on an issue. It is different for everyone. My only point here is that people should think for themselves, investigate, and then decide. On anything. Don't blindly believe what you're told, don't hold irrational beliefs, and likewise- since we know that 'proof' can't be obtained in many situations, re-question and re-examine your beliefs, always seeking truth.

2. As for proof of God, I can't show you that. I can't show you that Jesus is his son (and also a part of God the being). I can show you the remarkable foresight and linkage of many different writers in different languages and cultures whose seperate accounts point to this figure. It's up to you to decide what you think on that and other things.

3. Care to elaborate on differences in the gospels? If you mean the way the accounts are given, yes I'd agree. But very little difference in the content itself.


This week's 5:

1. None really
2. Don't know
3. Different degree, start music sooner, learn more
4. Girlfriend
5. no
 
1. What is your favorite childhood memory?

Not a specific memory, but just the fact that not being able to beat a level in a video game or that James wouldn't come out and play were the most stressful things in the world. Ahh... i wish i could have that back for one day :lol:

2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be?

A kit kat bar. I'd be delicious.

3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change?

-Apply myself more to get in a better position early in life.
-Use more black tar heroine at a young age.
-Not waste so much time on people who don't appreciate my efforts.

4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be?

That there really are some great people in the world and it's worth finding them. (yeah... gay i know, but that knowledge has made life so much easier...)

5. Do you have a lucky charm?

Nah, not so much. It was taken by those meddling kids and their dog...
 
1. What is your favorite childhood memory?
2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be?
3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change?
4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be?
5. Do you have a lucky charm?
1. When I was ~2, my family went to the beach, and I decided to go for a walk down the beach. So I literally followed the sun until a Beach Patrol picked me up and brought me back to my family.
2. Morbo from Futurama
3. a. Learn Piano at a very young age
- b. Learn Guitar at a very young age
- c. I'd actually try in school.
4. How to shoop woop
5. I don't think so...
 
1. What is your favorite childhood memory?
I have tons, probably anything involving playing in the woods with my brother and my cousins, except the part where one of us got injured every day.
2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be?
Dogs seem to have fun. Or anything that flies.
3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change?
- I'm with Harris, I'd start playing piano at an early age.
- Learn a language or two while I was young, since apparently it works way better that way.
- I'd try LESS in school. :)
4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be?
- Zach's gay response to this question.
5. Do you have a lucky charm?
- Nope. But I do enjoy the cereal.
 
1. What is your favorite childhood memory?
Christmases in Maryland with my family.

2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be?
Eagle

3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change?
- Developed better study habits
- Gone to a different school
- Not be so introverted

4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be?
Who I am

5. Do you have a lucky charm?
No.
 
1. What is your favorite childhood memory?
2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be?
3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change?
4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be?
5. Do you have a lucky charm?

1) Trips to Rhode Island were I caught the 3rd biggest flounder in the states history.

2) A tortoise

3) a) Do a hell of a lot better in school
b) Be less introverted
c) Have more sex than any other person has ever had since the dawn of time.

4) The knowledge of guitar/music theory I have amassed over the years

5) Well, I always have a guitar pick in my pocket. I feel naked without one.
 
1. What is your favorite childhood memory?
2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be?
3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change?
4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be?
5. Do you have a lucky charm?

1. The day I went to elementary school. I felt so grown up and powerful.
2. That's a tough one. A cat probably.
3. I would study more in high school. Not get overweight by eating junk food. Apply in to a different university.
4. My gf's lovely face.
5. I have a ring in my right hand middle finger. It's sort of a memento because I and my gf bought similar rings and promised to get married some day. It's not an engagement ring but the idea is same for me.
 
1. What is your favorite childhood memory?
Family holidays in QLD.

2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be?
Bird.

3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change?
I wouldn't have left high school... can't think of much else.

4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be?
Childhood memories. That way I'd still know my family : P

5. Do you have a lucky charm?
Nope.
 
1. What is your favorite childhood memory?
2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be?
3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change?
4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be?
5. Do you have a lucky charm?
1. Going to Geelong as a kid to my favourite aunty's wedding, and realising that Geelong has a distinct "smell" all of its own... yes Mawdyson, your Geelong...
2. A cat.
3. My parents, husband number 1 and husband number 2.
4. My children.
5. No.
 
1. The difference between proof and evidence should be clear to anyone who graduated 6th grade science. Evidence leads to proof. Proof is certain knowledge. Sometimes you can't have certain knowledge (in fact most cases) but you can obtain evidence through investigation. Evidence grants rationality to beliefs and hypotheses, which are the 'conclusions'. They should be tested and retested- but often we can't ever have a final answer. Of course, blind belief without any evidence (say I told you that aliens invaded your brain last night) is irrational. Unless I give you sufficient reason to support my claim, you should not believe it. "Sufficient evidence" then, is such that it allows you to decide on an issue. It is different for everyone. My only point here is that people should think for themselves, investigate, and then decide. On anything. Don't blindly believe what you're told, don't hold irrational beliefs, and likewise- since we know that 'proof' can't be obtained in many situations, re-question and re-examine your beliefs, always seeking truth.

2. As for proof of God, I can't show you that. I can't show you that Jesus is his son (and also a part of God the being). I can show you the remarkable foresight and linkage of many different writers in different languages and cultures whose seperate accounts point to this figure. It's up to you to decide what you think on that and other things.

3. Care to elaborate on differences in the gospels? If you mean the way the accounts are given, yes I'd agree. But very little difference in the content itself.


1 OK, so proof is the result of evidence... fair enough, I'm with you on that one. I misunderstood that through talking to people who use the terms interchangeably in theological discussions.

2. That's the big problem for me. You could argue for Jesus' existence, but not for his position as messiah. Without the work of Saul of Tarsus, and the later death-bed conversion of Constantine the Jesus cult would more than likely have gone the way of all the other messianic cults of the time.

3. Well, I don't have my course notes any more, but some that spring to mind are:

the differing accounts of Jesus' genealogy and early years
Only one miracle appears in all 4 gospels, while there are 14 that appear in one gospel only
Matthew and Mark don't mention anything about Jesus being nailed to the cross, Luke and John do

John disagrees with many points in Matthew, Mark and Luke. John involves a lot of drama and is very popular with Christians, but unfortunately fails to mention the last supper, kiss of Judas, beheading of John the Baptist, Jesus walking on water, or being born of a virgin

The gospels can't even agree on Jesus last words - Compare Matthew and Mark with what is said in Luke and in John

Doesn't really fill me with confidence in the good book, know what I mean?

But that said, the message is good, and that's fine. I don't have a problem with that, but what I don't understand is why people need the alleged words of a Jewish teacher to back up what should be self-evident in terms of ethics.
There's plenty of crazy shit in the bible, some of which sounds ridiculous in this day and age..... which brings me back to the cherry-picking of parts to justify pretty much anything.


1. What is your favorite childhood memory?
Really long summers

2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be?
A cat. Easy life

3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change?
none really

4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be?
My family

5. Do you have a lucky charm?
No
 
you've also gotta remember that each writer of each gospel was a different person with a different occupation etc. and would've all seen the things he did with a different perspective. eg. Luke was a doctor, and his portrayal of events is much more analytical and practical, as opposed to John who was much closer to Jesus, and is more focussed on the Spiritual side of Jesus work. Its no different from 2 different Journalists writing about the same event, both articles aren't gonna be exactly the same, different aspects will stand out to each journalist individually, and they'll write based on what they see as being important to themselves and their readers. One is going to leave out little things which the other considers to important to leave out, and visa versa. Doesn't mean they didn't see the same event, or that the event didn't happen because the accounts were different...
 
you've also gotta remember that each writer of each gospel was a different person with a different occupation etc. and would've all seen the things he did with a different perspective. eg. Luke was a doctor, and his portrayal of events is much more analytical and practical, as opposed to John who was much closer to Jesus, and is more focussed on the Spiritual side of Jesus work. Its no different from 2 different Journalists writing about the same event, both articles aren't gonna be exactly the same, different aspects will stand out to each journalist individually, and they'll write based on what they see as being important to themselves and their readers. One is going to leave out little things which the other considers to important to leave out, and visa versa. Doesn't mean they didn't see the same event, or that the event didn't happen because the accounts were different...

yes ...assuming the gospels were indeed written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John......

Interesting to note that the one guy who did the most for Christianity wasn't one of the original apostles....
 
yeah, I didn't discover Dream Theater until 2004, when I heard SFAM for the first time, does this mean I don't absolutely love the band and am a massive fan? Of course not, I went and looked back and discovered what they'd done before, as well as enjoying what they put out in the future. I assume you're talking about Saul / Paul? He lived in the next generation after the original apostles, it wasn't his fault he was born later on, but once he discovered the truth he became highly influential in starting many of the early churches...
 
1. What is your favorite childhood memory? I Spent alot of time outdoors, fishing in the rapids and such :)
2. If you could be reincarnated as anything besides human, who would you want to be? Id go with cat aswell, their wonderful creatures. strong, powerful, intelligent!
3. If you had to start your life all over, what are three things you would change? Pft.... I don't have any huge regrets in my life so far, perhaps I would have reacted to certain situations differently!
4. If you had to forget everything in your life, except one thing, what would it be? The awesome times i've spent with close friend!
5. Do you have a lucky charm? Hmmm, not really!
 
1. What types of portable audio devices do you use?
2. What format of music do you listen to most often?
3. How do you get your electronic music files? (pay service [i.e Napster, iTunes, eMusic, etc.], file sharing, artist/label web sites, etc.)
4. What type of headphones do you use?
5. What song are you listening to right now?
 
1. What types of portable audio devices do you use?
iPod

2. What format of music do you listen to most often?
MP3/wav

3. How do you get your electronic music files? (pay service [i.e Napster, iTunes, eMusic, etc.], file sharing, artist/label web sites, etc.)
iTunes...and no other way...heh...heh....

4. What type of headphones do you use?
These ones that clip behind my ear so they don't fall out. Makes me feel all sporty.

5. What song are you listening to right now?
Common Rotation - Bitter Honey