The future of music/media . . . are CDs/DVDs dying?

Doom said:
As Erik said, as long as I can have artwork, sleeves, booklets etc. along with some form of physical media, then I don't mind what format the music is on.
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As Erik said? OK, then it's my fault for not articulating clearly because that's all I was ever saying back in post #7. I think I even said to simply replace CDs with "ROM cartridges". In other words, we're all in agreement here. I think.
 
Doom for the last time ( I hate to keep repeating this) I dont give a flying fuck about your record label-tied property related morality. It is useless to me, and if you had half a mind, it would be useless to you as well.
 
JayKeeley said:
As Erik said? OK, then it's my fault for not articulating clearly because that's all I was ever saying back in post #7. I think I even said to simply replace CDs with "ROM cartridges". In other words, we're all in agreement here. I think.
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Ok, as you said, as Erik said, it doesn't really matter. Especially since yes, I do agree with you. :loco:
 
I think the download-and-pay option will only attract the casual music listener who simply wants a jolly little tune to spin when cooking or whatever, serious fans of music will stick to complete albums in whatever form.

There one big problem with this digital craze and that's the vulnerability of information stored as ones and zeros; distort a single one and you may end up with an un-readable file. Not to mention a serious hardrive break down, then you'll sit there feeling sorry for all the money you spent on downloading music and can do nothing about it. And in the longer run, if music is only stored digitally there's always the risk of it getting lost forever.

A possible replacement for CDs and vinyl (some time in the not too near future mind) could be crystals. I watched some program where they discussed the problem of information stored digitally beeing so ephemeral and some scientists somewhere in Europe had developed a method of storing information withing crystals which had a life expectany of some thousand years and could store silly amounts of information. Pretty nifty if you ask me :)
 
It constantly fascinates me how one would wish to uphold draconian property laws that benefit no one but large companies stockholders and CEO's?

J at least admits he is supporting a nazi stance.
 
I'm not. I like CDs. I don't want the music I purchase to have anything to do with a computer, whether it be downloaded, stored, or bought. It just feels cheapened to me.

I like my pulling out my CD, putting it in my stereo and pressing play.

EDIT: This was in response to JayK's post.
 
speed said:
Doom for the last time ( I hate to keep repeating this) I dont give a flying fuck about your record label-tied property related morality. It is useless to me, and if you had half a mind, it would be useless to you as well.
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Meh, as I said this as has already been done, and it's not worth wasting my time.
 
CDs have been a fairly consistent medium for the last 20 years. Personally, I don't see how it could possibly get any better than CDs. Its of a reasonable size, its easy to transport (although you're screwed if you want to transport 3000 CDs with you, but nobody really needs that. Most people don't even have 3000 CDs.) You DON'T need anything more than two speakers, and its a durable, long lasting medium. Sure, Cons: its optical and the laser may skip if the disc is bumped, but good anti-skip technology can virtually eliminate that. Also as an obvious advantage: CDs are PRESSED so they're write protected.

Its my assessment that at the time, there is no reason to come up with a better medium except for market pressure which at this time, I don't think that people would be willing to replace all of their media on a new format.
 
NicodemiX said:
Its my assessment that at the time, there is no reason to come up with a better medium except for market pressure which at this time, I don't think that people would be willing to replace all of their media on a new format.
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Correct. That's why mini-disc failed, right?
 
Probably. I think that Minidiscs have trived longer than expected because they can also be recorded at your computer like an mp3 player, but it is also the same reduced quality if you do it from that and not an uncompressed source.

I forgot one more thing: I don't see any reason for a medium to have a longer playing time than a CD. 74 or 80 minutes is the perfect maximum length for an album. Not too long to sit through, but long enough that you don't feel that you wasted your money on an overly short album (what!!!!? 28 minutes? FUCK YOU SLAYER :loco: ).
 
One thing I would like to understand- for personal reasons: Why do so many metal fans ( and other music fans of other genres) feel the need to 'own' music. That is, the compulsion to collect mindblowing amounts of music for the mere sake of accumulating it, for looking at it, for having it? with metal fans it seems to trickle down into the artwork and packaging as well. Whats with that? Why does it make people's lives complete? I am merely asking a question, obviously everyone knows where I stand, its just I cant for the life of me understand this collection mania.

I acknowledge I have a different personality than most, as I dont feel I own any music, and thus I feel quite indifferent and opposed to spending 13 bucks to a record label to 'own' a cd, but then again I feel this way about pretty much anything.
 
speed said:
One thing I would like to understand- for personal reasons: Why do so many metal fans ( and other music fans of other genres) feel the need to 'own' music. That is, the compulsion to collect mindblowing amounts of music for the mere sake of accumulating it, for looking at it, for having it? with metal fans it seems to trickle down into the artwork and packaging as well. Whats with that? Why does it make people's lives complete? I am merely asking a question, obviously everyone knows where I stand, its just I cant for the life of me understand this collection mania.

I acknowledge I have a different personality than most, as I dont feel I own any music, and thus I feel quite indifferent and opposed to spending 13 bucks to a record label to 'own' a cd, but then again I feel this way about pretty much anything.
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It's a good question. One thing to take into consideration is the average persona of a metal fan. Now I know I'm stereotyping here, but the *average* metal fan is probably someone who doesn't like most things mainstream and prefers genre type stuff -- take a metal fan and I BET that, for the most part, that same individual could be into genre movies, comic books, sci-fi, fantasy novels, video games, and other sorts of geeky hobbies.

Let's face it, most metal fans are geeks, and geeks like to collect things. I've always collected stuff, whether it be Star Wars action figures when I was a kid, or foreign horror movies today as a father of two. I like to collect because the belongings then become tangible. I don't want a black & white photocopy of a comic book, I want the glossy colour paperback; I don't want to read a book on-line, I'd prefer the hardback novel sitting on a shelf; I don't want music to sit on my hard drive, I want it to represent the love affair I have for it, whether it be an old Led Zeppelin bootleg, or a black metal 1000 limited press run. Music is my trophy wife.
 
I don't read books online, although it would be easier to than owning hundreds of big bulky books. I look at music as an artform, the disc itself, the packaging, the artwork, etc. all come together as part of a whole. A tangible medium is the only way to go.

EDIT: Haha, I didn't read JayKeeley's post before typing this. I can just say "I agree" and be done with it. :loco:
 
One Inch Man said:
EDIT: Haha, I didn't read JayKeeley's post before typing this. I can just say "I agree" and be done with it. :loco:
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Geez....this is me today:

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An excellent reply. I thank you Mr Keeley. Its amazing to find one so well reasoned in disagreement on UM.

So, if I am to understand, just by looking at the cd of say Drudkh, you are reminded of how much you love it? I see, and I can understand.

My rather ascetic and cynical nature is such that just having heard a piece of music or read a piece of literature etc. is enough. It is always with me in my head, I dont need to buy it, I dont need to see it. I may decide to reread it, or listen to it again to refresh myself. But I own it in the only way I see possible. Thus, my consternation over lists, audioscribblers, comic book collectors, and collectors of material things.

So now we have come to kind of an understanding. In truth I think my condition is quite rare and somehting one is born with, whereas yours is much more common, and in today's material society, reinforced every single day.
 
not this topic again !?!?!?!? :loco:

i thought of something completely assinine in the last few days ... if I can really get into a band or new music solely based on hearing some tracks from them ... without seeing the packaging or owning the CD ... another words a PURE MUSICAL EXPERIENCE ... then that band RULES !!!!

owning the CD is just a bonus ... and either way it does not matter.

of course, well desinged art work or a great music video always ADDS to the musical experience ... I think people that NEED to posses CD's are not true music fans ... (I got a HUUUUUGE flame suit on) :D

oh yeah ...

that I use in the tractor/combine/etc.,
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lol
 
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